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Next-gen optical format promises to revolutionize the industry with features unavailable to previous formats... but it runs afoul of corporate infighting, high prices, and consumers uninterested in changing formats. Eventually they decide, en masse, to stick with what they already know.
Sound familiar? That's what relegated Laserdisc to an oddball obscurity back in the 1980s, and it's an uncanny description of the current situation with Blu-ray today.
ZDNet's Robin Harris is now taking the bold step of calling Blu-ray "dead" and "in a death spiral," saying that in 12 months the format "will be a videophile niche, not a mass market product." While it may be early in the game to make such a prediction, Harris has some good points in his screed. Among them: That after its gruesome, 18-month battle with HD DVD, no one has the energy to care about high-def players any more. Probably a bigger issue: That upscaled DVD players, which can be had for $50 or $60, look almost as good as content played on a Blu-ray player. Consumers just don't see the value proposition in upgrading their hardware, particularly given that players are still over $200. What's a little better picture worth? With Blu-ray pegged at a four percent market share, most people seem to be saying not that much.
I've got my own problems with Blu-ray, having been giving it a fresh shot over the last few weeks. The player I have is a real pain vs. my cheapie DVD player. Startup time is ungodly, and I'll never understand why the player can't automatically figure out to play a Blu-ray disc if there's one in the device when it starts up. Instead it goes to an aggravating "home page" after a 30-second wait, and then it's another button press and another minute-long wait before I can get to the Blu-ray disc's home screen. Fast-forward and reverse is jerky and difficult to finely control, and that's a problem because I have to use them all the time due to the player's biggest annoyance: It doesn't remember where you were in a movie if you stop in the middle. If I quit at the 1 hour mark while watching a DVD on my bargain player, it picks right back up there the next time I turn it on. I understand that different model players will have different features, but this is standard on even the cheapest DVD gear. It's unfathomable that a $300 Blu-ray player can't get the job done.
Is Blu-ray dead? When people like me who have both units sitting side by side actively prefer using DVD instead of BD whenever they can, you've definitely got some trouble ahead.
Your thoughts?
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i can't believe people don't think there is much of a difference between BD and upconverting dvd... I sell them and see them side by side all day (maybe that's why I understand the difference), but it really is night and day. Especially on a 120hz 1080p tv. My biggest problem is that BD players need to have firmware updates, that's stupid to me. I have BD, HDDVD and DVD and its funny, the best of the three is HDDVD... And $250 for a Samsung BDP-1500 isn't too expensive, especially when the average price of a TV sold at my work is $1500.00. I will say however that most the movies I watch are rented in HD through Apple TV...
What will Wal-Mart do now that it has comitted itself to Blu-Ray in it's electronics departments.
This is just the consumer response to Sony. I hate Sony, they are completely proprietary and charge twice what competitors charge, with less quality. I don't plan on getting a BluRay player.
When they get the bugs fixed on the Blu Ray players, I may get one. Right now I'm perfectly happy with my Denon DVD player and, in my area there is only one store that rents Blu Ray movies and the selection is minimal and twice the price of the DVD format. The cost of the players have dropped considerably, but not enough for me to get my checkbook out. JJG
I bought a ps3, and it seems to do well with blu-ray. I be danged if I bought a player, due to the price, or a blu-ray movie for $60.00. DVD is still alive and kicking.
I have post number 5 above. I should maybe be more clear. My HDTV 1080p 67" Samsung DLP has a Toshiba HD-A3 as the up-converting DVD player and I have a 7.1 digital surround system. HD-DVDs pictures can't be beat! But since HD-DVD lost to Blu-ray its just not worth it to change to Blu-ray yet. It's an awesome picture and you can see a difference, I just can't spend as much as there asking. For now I'll live whith how a standard DVD looks on my big screen until Sony lowers the prices. But I may just go Apple TV 720p or Netflix streaming in HD as soon as that new XBox live 360 comes out and forget about disc's all together. I am stil however buying HD-DVDs. I've gotten quite a few for $4 on ebay and many of them for under $10 on Amazon. Yes, I am still hoping HD-DVD makes a comeback.
The reason I hope Blu-ray doesn't die is the massive data storage capability it offers. I could care less about a tiny increase in the image quality of movies but I sure do care about losing a potential x6 greater data storage capacity.
What chris says about blu-ray is exactly the reason I would not even bother with blu-ray.Can you say beta?
Whomever says an upconverting DVD player looks close to BluRay is crazy. They are either using the wrong cables or a cheap TV. I hope that Blu Ray doesn't die due to the ignorance of consumers as it is a great format for both computers and multimedia needs.
And the 30 dollar BD price will keep me away. If the discs cost that much more to manufacture, then why does a two disc BD set cost the same?
When you think about the jump between VHS and DVD vs. the jump between DVD and Blu-Ray, there's no comparison. People need more of an incentive than SLIGHTLY better picture to justify paying $200+ AND re-purchasing their entire movie library. I intend to keep buying DVDs until either they don't make them anymore, or until I see a TRUE successor format.
Hey guys wake up ! PS3 comes with a Blu-ray player. Think about it - its time for you to get rid of your 8 track tapes...
It would likely have been successful, if it hadn't been used to bleed us dry in a bad economy. If they had priced BR players the same as DVD players, people would have bought them without hesitation. That quantity of sales, even with a reduced profit margin, would have made tons of money for manufacturers AND secured a future for the format. The old method of starting with a very high price then slowly reducing price can't work in this economy. Another example of a business that doesn't think, just follows recipes. Also I don't get everyone claiming BR players to be in the $200 range. I priced them last weekend and I found only one that was under $300, and that one was $285. I have no intention of ever going to downloaded movies, so I would have liked to see a good HD option.
all u people who think upconverted DVD's look as good or better than BD's are fools! One question, are you using an HDMI cable? Face it, you're just trying to make yourselves feel better for not being able to get down with BLU! Check out THE MATRIX trilogy on blu, whoa! And the OG TEXAS CHAINSAW looks amazing, it looks like film!!! Looking forward to SOUTHLAND TALES on BLU!
Blu-ray seem's to expensive, and i have a large collection of dvd's why would i want to rebuy all the movie's i love for a blu-ray device. I changed format with vhs to dvd, and i am uninterested in changing format again unless it comes as affordable as dvd price's. I don't really see the need for a lil better picture for more money especially in these tight wallet time's.
What most of the comments that are pro-BD are missing is that the article does not say that DVD is as good as Blu-ray. In fact, that is exactly his point. No one would ever say that VHS was better than Laserdisc, merely that the cost/benefit of the VHS won out. He is saying the same thing about Blu-ray. Most people don't care that much about the quality when they can get a decent product at a much better price. Call it the Wal-mart effect.
Something no one mentioned was the ability to use blu-ray as a back up medium for the PC. at 25+GB per disk and 50+ GB for dual layer, now we can back up our 12 Megapixel photos without using a can of 4.7GB dvd's. Writers at this time are close to $200 and hopefully soon will be as common as DVD writers. The blank media should be coming down soon as well.
Wow- I don't see how someone who's job it is to look at new tech and be so far off- What are you viewing these discs on? The difference between blu-ray and a dvd is night and day- And for people to think that the internet is the way to go- where are you going to store the movies that you want to view over and over- plus the whole download time needs to improve ten fold- When vhs ruled and dvd came along you had to pay more and you if you want to get the best picture possible you need blu-ray. But please if you don't see a difference in picture quality between an upconverted dvd and blu-ray you need to go get a better tv.
anyone who says a blu-ray movie in 1080p is only 'slightly better' than an upconverted movie is on crack. I'm not saying the upconverted DVD doesn't look good, but there is a huge difference between linesplitting upconverters and a remastered movie in 1080p. However, i generally agree that the prices are too high, the selection too limited, and the players need to have many, many more features to justify the cost of buying a new player and then, slowly, replacing your existing DVD collection. But, there are two areas that might save it... The PS3 & blu-ray Read/Write drives for the home PC. just my two cents...
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26 Posted by lorenrutherford on Thu Sep 3, 2009 6:56PM EDT Report Abuse
Yeah I just got a ps3, and as a bonus it has a blu-ray player. Otherwise I would never spend the money to get one. The picture is clean but compared to an upscale dvd player with HD-like pisture there is little to no difference. If you can tell the difference than you are not the average consumer. Blu-ray makes absolutley no sense at the price they want it.