Is Blu-ray the new Laserdisc?

Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:34PM EDT

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Next-gen optical format promises to revolutionize the industry with features unavailable to previous formats... but it runs afoul of corporate infighting, high prices, and consumers uninterested in changing formats. Eventually they decide, en masse, to stick with what they already know.

Sound familiar? That's what relegated Laserdisc to an oddball obscurity back in the 1980s, and it's an uncanny description of the current situation with Blu-ray today.

ZDNet's Robin Harris is now taking the bold step of calling Blu-ray "dead" and "in a death spiral," saying that in 12 months the format "will be a videophile niche, not a mass market product." While it may be early in the game to make such a prediction, Harris has some good points in his screed. Among them: That after its gruesome, 18-month battle with HD DVD, no one has the energy to care about high-def players any more. Probably a bigger issue: That upscaled DVD players, which can be had for $50 or $60, look almost as good as content played on a Blu-ray player. Consumers just don't see the value proposition in upgrading their hardware, particularly given that players are still over $200. What's a little better picture worth? With Blu-ray pegged at a four percent market share, most people seem to be saying not that much.

I've got my own problems with Blu-ray, having been giving it a fresh shot over the last few weeks. The player I have is a real pain vs. my cheapie DVD player. Startup time is ungodly, and I'll never understand why the player can't automatically figure out to play a Blu-ray disc if there's one in the device when it starts up. Instead it goes to an aggravating "home page" after a 30-second wait, and then it's another button press and another minute-long wait before I can get to the Blu-ray disc's home screen. Fast-forward and reverse is jerky and difficult to finely control, and that's a problem because I have to use them all the time due to the player's biggest annoyance: It doesn't remember where you were in a movie if you stop in the middle. If I quit at the 1 hour mark while watching a DVD on my bargain player, it picks right back up there the next time I turn it on. I understand that different model players will have different features, but this is standard on even the cheapest DVD gear. It's unfathomable that a $300 Blu-ray player can't get the job done.

Is Blu-ray dead? When people like me who have both units sitting side by side actively prefer using DVD instead of BD whenever they can, you've definitely got some trouble ahead.

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  • 46 Posted by gray1111 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:12PM EDT Report Abuse

    blue ray makes your regular dvds look great...gave away my old dvd player

  • 47 Posted by ms.brenda_king on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:28PM EDT Report Abuse

    I would love to Have A Blue Ray but can not afford to buy them. I believe that it would be a shame for the Blue Ray to dye. Believe thatit is needed for the ability save space easy to carry in breif case.. so on. Bring the price down.. The sales would go through the roof. Bee

  • 48 Posted by the_scum1 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:06PM EDT Report Abuse

    Please people. You don't need to repurchase your dvds. Blu ray players like the PS3 upconvert your dvds to a great picture. I remember my first dvd player cost 250.00. You have to be patient. Blu ray disc prices need to come down though. 27 to 30 dollars is too much. I have about 30 blu ray disc though and I have yet to pay over 17 bucks for any of them. Buy on sale only at places like frys or online at Amazon. Get a Ps3. It is the best player and it plays games, music and digital photos. It has a hard drive to store home movies, photos and more so you can watch them on your tv.

  • 49 Posted by radlowski@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:26PM EDT Report Abuse

    "What's a little better picture worth?" Obviously thousands of dollars for idiots who pay $3,000 and up for full 1080p LCDs, when comparable sized 720p TVs are significantly cheaper.

  • 50 Posted by kjoneill3 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:52PM EDT Report Abuse

    I totally agree with the guy who wrote this article. Not only are Blu-Rays a fetish product (not a huge difference in quality/experience, twice the cost per movie), but I can't use my DVD burner to back up my collection. For me, I would be spending hundreds (possibly thousands) of dollars upgrading, and for what? To watch sharlply rendered movies in my living room off of discs the size of CD's. _I already do that._ I think the people who argue that Blu Ray is soooo much better are the people who own a Blu-Ray, and are having trouble admitting to themselves, and to their bank accounts that they might be tech groupies with a fetish for the "cutting edge."

  • 51 Posted by madhydrogeologist on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:02PM EDT Report Abuse

    Its just YET ANOTHER case of a product being designed by a marketing department rather than by people who actually use the stuff...Its very similar to the disease that afflicts automobile designers-they obviously never had to work on a car even once in their life..and similar to the one that afflicts the people who got an engineering degree to design plumbing (insert any other trade if you like) systems for buildings/homes that (painfully)obviously never picked up a tool in their lives- When people are in a position to design something that they themselves were never required to use/repair/build the company employing them deserves whatever they get, hopefully bankruptcy.

  • 52 Posted by levi_koi123 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 6:49PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have a 46" Samsung LCD with a DVD up-converter that I spent $60 on and the picture of my DVDs look great. I definitely wouldn't spend $300 - $400 on a blu-ray player and $30 per blu-ray disc. Especially since newer regular DVDs that are coming out are starting to be even better quality. Kill Blu-ray

  • 53 Posted by jbernardstone on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:30PM EDT Report Abuse

    "I can sit in the comfort of my media room..." I think I'll stick to watching my $30 DVD player on my $100 Low-Def television in the comfort of MY LIVING ROOM, thank you very much, and enjoy every minute of it. You technophiles are so very silly...

  • 54 Posted by bucksohio234 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:15PM EDT Report Abuse

    Calm down people. You would think the author of this article was talking about sleeping with your mothers. I think DVD is good enough until Blu-Ray costs as much as DVD then it will be worth going to Blu-Ray but you would also have to upgrade your movie collection. Going from VHS to DVD was a huge step up. DVD to Blu-Ray is just a minor step up. I aint rushing to buy a Blu-Ray and according to the sales numbers almost everyone else agrees with me.

  • 55 Posted by benjaminlins on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:05PM EDT Report Abuse

    Don't buy into it. The advertising industry is just tricking you into consuming more and making bigger purchases of soon to be obsolete silly material possessions. If anything, watch less TV. Read books. They make you use your own imagination.

  • 56 Posted by stan39520 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:39PM EDT Report Abuse

    Wow so its about a 2 minutes to start up a movie!!! Yuck. I thought DVD took a long time. So in the future will Blu-Ray DVD start up faster? I am thinking about getting one but after all this I am reading maybe not...

  • 57 Posted by llandymw on Thu Sep 3, 2009 6:55PM EDT Report Abuse

    Sheesh, some people like kjoneill3 don't check much into what's available. There are BD writers available, and there are programs that will allow you to back up your BD movies. Check out slysoft if you don't believe it.

  • 58 Posted by timothy32stanley on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:10PM EDT Report Abuse

    If you can not tell the difference between blu-ray and hd or even standerd dvd you need to have your eyes checked. Everyone I talk to with blu-ray and hd or standard dvd can clearly see the difference, why do you think hd lost. Wakeup people and open your eyes.

  • 59 Posted by hulksmashks on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:21PM EDT Report Abuse

    I am broke as a joke but I have a PS3 and only watch BD movies,I will not purchase a DVD.Get real people.

  • 60 Posted by damienanderson228 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:34PM EDT Report Abuse

    I own a PS3 and love the Blu-Ray technology. There is no comparison between dvd's and Blu-Rays. However, the price of the Blu-Ray disc are, in my opinion, very pricey.

  • 61 Posted by lawmen072@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:57PM EDT Report Abuse

    Dear rogueist, please tell me where you can get a buy 1, get 2 free Blu-Rays. You can't get a better deal than that! I have a large HD flat panel monitor, and a True-HD capable receiver, and there is no comparison between my PS3 blu-ray to either my regular dvd or HD player. Go to Best Buy and look for the side by side comparison stand, and you will see what we are talking about.

  • 62 Posted by demasque on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:41PM EDT Report Abuse

    What if they gave a format change and nobody came?

  • 63 Posted by robert.beier@att.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:45PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have a PS3 and I love the Blu-Ray capabilities. I don't deny prices are a bit high or that upconverting isn't sufficient for a lot of consumers, but I do think it's a little early to claim Blu is dead. For one it is a new technology (yes, it is still new) and prices will come down. Will downloaded media be the final nail in the coffin? I think it's too early to predict and as usual the media seems to be persuading the world with their less than subjective reporting.

  • 64 Posted by boldenchris55@ymail.com on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:11PM EDT Report Abuse

    I remember back in the mid 80's when I managed a Video Connection outside of Atlanta, Ga. We rented VHS movies & then along comes BETA(the Blu-ray of video tapes back then,,lol.) We couldn't give those Beta video players away plus there was just a hand full of movies in that format. Beta was dead in about a year. Regarding the XBox Live/Netflix service. Streaming a movie is like renting it. I think it will delete after a set viewing time....usually 24hrs...thus freeing up your hard drive space. Let's look at what I'm enjoying: DVD rentals delivered via the mail & streaming movies and shows included at no additional cost over XBox Live...(From where I sit...the picture aka The Big Picture looks pretty clear & it doesn't include Blu-ray)

  • 65 Posted by alexkopp136 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:50PM EDT Report Abuse

    I totally agree that Blu Ray needs to lower the prices of the discs and players if they want to succeed, or else it is dead. When I first got my PS3, partly for the Blu-Ray, I thought I would pick up a movie to watch on Blu-Ray. Twice the price of the DVD. Not worth it imo, since I don't have a HD TV yet, but even if I did, would have to think twice about purchasing one.

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