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Next-gen optical format promises to revolutionize the industry with features unavailable to previous formats... but it runs afoul of corporate infighting, high prices, and consumers uninterested in changing formats. Eventually they decide, en masse, to stick with what they already know.
Sound familiar? That's what relegated Laserdisc to an oddball obscurity back in the 1980s, and it's an uncanny description of the current situation with Blu-ray today.
ZDNet's Robin Harris is now taking the bold step of calling Blu-ray "dead" and "in a death spiral," saying that in 12 months the format "will be a videophile niche, not a mass market product." While it may be early in the game to make such a prediction, Harris has some good points in his screed. Among them: That after its gruesome, 18-month battle with HD DVD, no one has the energy to care about high-def players any more. Probably a bigger issue: That upscaled DVD players, which can be had for $50 or $60, look almost as good as content played on a Blu-ray player. Consumers just don't see the value proposition in upgrading their hardware, particularly given that players are still over $200. What's a little better picture worth? With Blu-ray pegged at a four percent market share, most people seem to be saying not that much.
I've got my own problems with Blu-ray, having been giving it a fresh shot over the last few weeks. The player I have is a real pain vs. my cheapie DVD player. Startup time is ungodly, and I'll never understand why the player can't automatically figure out to play a Blu-ray disc if there's one in the device when it starts up. Instead it goes to an aggravating "home page" after a 30-second wait, and then it's another button press and another minute-long wait before I can get to the Blu-ray disc's home screen. Fast-forward and reverse is jerky and difficult to finely control, and that's a problem because I have to use them all the time due to the player's biggest annoyance: It doesn't remember where you were in a movie if you stop in the middle. If I quit at the 1 hour mark while watching a DVD on my bargain player, it picks right back up there the next time I turn it on. I understand that different model players will have different features, but this is standard on even the cheapest DVD gear. It's unfathomable that a $300 Blu-ray player can't get the job done.
Is Blu-ray dead? When people like me who have both units sitting side by side actively prefer using DVD instead of BD whenever they can, you've definitely got some trouble ahead.
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Stop saying upscaled DVDs aren't almost as good as Blu-ray. On a 50-inch HDTV and smaller they are very close. Unless you have some monstrous HDTV in your house, it's not worth the hassle/price. Not too many people use HDTVs that are bigger than 50-inch. If you do, then good for you and keep blowing you money on Blu-ray.
I second that about upscaled DVDs being almost as good as HD on smaller screens. I have an HD player, and an upconverting DVD player - and for about 90% of the DVDs I play, I cannot tell the difference - and for some of them - the DVDs look BETTER than the HD versions... But for Sony - new reports from today show that Sony's profits are down 80% worldwide - that is one BIG hit in their pockets. I betcha they are ruing the day that they sued Lik Sang into oblivion... They have been losing their shirt ever since then. Lik Sang was responsible for nearly 30% of their sales worldwide.
Ok first off all you people that are agreeing with this guys are sheep. Yeah lets just run with this persons opinion. If you agree with every thing he said about not wanting to change formats then why aren't you all still sitting back in the 80's with your wonderful VHS. Saying that an upscale DVD player looks almost as good as blu-ray is just wrong. That is like saying Michael Jackson is just as good now as he was in the 80s. In regards to the article about how long his blu-ray player takes to boot up. You might want to invest in a different and probably less expensive play such as the PS3. I can turn my system on and have the moving playing in under 20 seconds. If you really want to compare the 2 ways of watching HD with an up-scaled DVD and a Blu-ray get the same movie on 2 TV's and watch them side by side if you cannot see the difference please head to your local eye doctors and tell them your going blind.
This article is correct for the average Joe, however for those with high end home theatre systems, the Blu Ray picture & sound is second to none. I can sit in the comfort of my media room watching my favorite movie without the anoyance of cell phones, talkers, noise makers etc. The picture quality not only of the Blu ray, but also the DVD upresolution is phenominal! I am watching DVD's from my collection with a whole new perspective. Background items previously non-discernable are much clearer. It all comes to.... do I want to drive a Yugo? or a Masserati? I prefer the Masserati......
People will still want a way to (permanently) record video in full HD quality, as soon as the price and reliability are in the right place. Even DVD recorders aren't as reliable as the VHS machines we grew up with yet. Just give it time.
Why hasn't anyone commented on the sound quality of Blu-Ray or HD-DVD? It is far superior than DVD. Dolby Digital TrueHD or DTS-HD Master audio are uncompressed audio formats that sound much better than Dolby Digital or DTS. And these audio formats can actually take advantage of that 7.1 receiver and speakers you have. DVD's typically only use 5.1 audio. BTW, upscaled DVD is only close to HD when you have
While the prices seem to be a little steep for Blu-ray dics and their players I have become a big fan of the Blu-ray. I have stopped purchasing new movies on DVD and now pick up the Blu-ray. While I will not replace my older movies, I find that the quality of the picture and sound superior on my larger size tv, however the difference does diminish when viewing on a smaller size screen. Only time will tell but I seem to remember thinking the same thing when DVD's came out. In reference to the article every Blu-ray disc player I have seen has the remember feature to start the movie where you left off.
That's all fine and dandy, but how much did DVD players cost when they were first released? How about VCR's? Eventually the prices will drop as have the previous formats.
This is good worth while product, and the only reason the mass hasn't "taken hold" of it is because everyone is struggling to make other ends meet like filling the kitchen cabinets and paying the bills. If this would have had greater availability a few years ago for the current prices, I think it would have been accepted without a doubt. I wouldn't count it out just yet.
Yep- $200 plus for a player that shows slightly better video quality than an upconverting DVD player on an HDTV seems like a loosing battle to me. Crazy that the quality's not 3D/IMAX or better when they expect you to pay a premium for discs that use 4x as much data as standard DVD's do. Laserdisc's fate sounds pretty spot on to me. And Laserdisc had much better quality than VHS tapes. Some might argue that Blue-ray does at least that to regular DVD's on an HDTV set- but again, who cares? If I want to see realistic imagery, I'll go to a live event!
blu-ray is way better then upscale dvd, I agree with some of the other people if you say you cant tell the difference then u definitely need ur eyes checked. picture quality is better sound quality is way better too I have a PS3 and my bluray player has no problem playing blu ray discs from any point on the disc. i can stop and start fast forward and rewind with no troubles at all. if you adjust the price the dvd player was when it first came out to the inflation we have today its pretty much the same price. So dont let the price stop you for an optimal movie experience blu-ray is the way to go
Give up my standard DVD? From my cold, dead hands!
I think all of the anti bluray people are crazy. In my opinion bluray is the greatest thing since dvd and it kicks the crap out of even an upconverted dvd. Maybe you guys have not actually seen a movie in full 1080p on a big lcd or plasma tv with the aid of a bluray player. It freakin rocks. Give it a whirl and youll have to agree. I will rent a bluray movie that i dont even care about just because i cant stand watching standard def anymore. Back when dvd came out a lot of people said these same things about vhs, it was probably the parents of the fellow posters and the author, so maybe bluray is not going away, maybe you guys are just experienceing if its to loud your to old syndrome. And as far as having trouble with the player working correctly, my grandparent still have trouble programming the clock on their old quasar brand vcr. just a thought from a dude that loves his bluray.
For those people who say up-scaling DVD is as good or better than blu-ray, you need your eyes check. I have a 32inch hdtv and blu-ray is much superior. By the way, you don't need to replace your dvds because most blu-ray players can play dvd with up-scaling, especially PS3.
Had HD-DVD won the battle there would have been adult titles available in High Def. The Blu-Ray conglomerate refused to allow mastering of adult content on their devices. Wonder if that would have helped push the technology any? Can only speculate. No way we'll ever know. But with their situation becoming gloomy it will be interesting to see if the Blu-Ray people change their mind about XXX titles now.
the problem is upscaled dvd material looks NOTHING like true hd Blu-Ray material. end of story. with the right equipment Blu-Ray absolutely destroys dvd, and ANYONE who has the right equipment and has seen both knows this. will bd remain nich? perhaps but it will always be the best way to watch movies if you really care about the best quality. if you don't then stick with sd and downloads. true cinema lovers already know Blu-Ray is ushering in the golden age of home movie watching. I watch Blus every night now, and the experience is amazing.
Blu-Ray ( SONY ) needs to lower the price on the purchase of Blu-Ray DVD's to compete directly with "normal" DVD prices. It should be obvious the public, especially now, is price resistant to $30+ per Blu-Ray DVD. Wake up Japan !! There are some very cool features to Blu-Ray on-line when you connect your player or PS3 to the internet.
It's the betamax vs. vhs and laser disc vs. dvd all over again. Sony launches a better system but it's proprietary nature inhibits innovation while the competing format is open to multiple manufacturers and gets tweaked by several engineering staffs as each company attempts to gain a market advantage by creating product differentiation all of which benefits the consumer. Same thing should be happening to Apple but the consumer in the MP3 sector is too immature to understand the difference between buying value and buying trendiness at a premium. Furthermore, the Apple engineers are great at staying ahead of the curve. For Sony, this is deja vu all over again...
Well, without getting into the back and forth about whether or not upscaled DVDs look close, the biggest hurdle that I continue to see is the price. The average person is still walking into the store and seeing a new release of a movie going for $15-20 on DVD and $25-35 for Blu-Ray. I understand that you can find shops online selling Blu-Ray a little cheaper, but that's not the point. The average person who may be on the fence about buying into Blu-Ray sees players that are $200 and up, and they see every Blu-Ray title being at least $10 more than the standard DVD version. If the pricing were the same, I think people would have no problem buying Blu Ray. "You get better quality for the same price" would sell the product.
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6 Posted by bubbamac1987 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:15PM EDT Report Abuse
Please stop using the argument that upscaled DVDs are "almost" as good as Blu-ray. It simply is not true, and if you can't see it, something is wrong with either your setup or your eyes. If you want to use the arguments about high prices, consumer confusion, etc., fine, but do _not_ claim DVDs are almost as good.