Internet sales taxes creeping closer to reality

Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:19AM EST

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Faced with crushing deficits, depressed tax revenues, and a grim outlook for 2009, states across the country are taking another hard look at taxing interstate sales completed on the web. Once a strict "no tax" zone, those walls are now on the verge of crumbling.

Following the lead of tax-hungry New York, 22 states and hundreds of retailers have joined a group called the Streamlined Sales Tax Governing Board. The goal of the group is to simplify the methods by which sales taxes are calculated, collected, and transmitted online by creating a set of tax rules that rolls the thousands of state, county, and city tax codes into a single, simplified code. And the SSTGB also wants to make those rules apply to all online purchasers, even those across state lines, not just buyers in the same state as the seller's offices.

The SSTGB already has some of the biggest retailers around in its pocket, including Wal-Mart, Borders, and J.C. Penney.

Of course, not everyone is thrilled about the prospect of the e-taxman. Amazon is famously suing New York for its requirement that the company collect sales taxes for all sales to New York, despite the fact that Amazon doesn't have a physical presence there. It is collecting those taxes, though, in the meantime, as the case works its way to court.

Overstock, however, is not collecting those taxes, having fired 3,400 of its New York-based affiliates in order to skirt the NY legislation. (The recently-enacted law claims that locally-based "affiliates," which collect a commission on referrals for sales of products sent on to a third-party retailer, constitute a physical nexus in the state and thus make the retailer responsible for tax collection.) Overstock is also suing New York over the law.

What happens now? More waiting and negotiating for the forseeable future. As Forrester analyst Sucharita Mulpuru notes, "It's a legal morass. In a best-case scenario, it's going to take a while to sort everything out."

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  • 26 Posted by randall_senn on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:28PM EDT Report Abuse

    It may be time for the retailers to stop playing defense and play offense. They need to have one state pass a law protecting the internet retailers in that state by stating that they may not collect sales taxes on cross border sales. The state can do to protect the jobs of the workers in the state that work for companies that do internet sales.

  • 27 Posted by exlibrisvt on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:57PM EDT Report Abuse

    The point here is that all you internet shoppers are currently breaking the law: if you buy something online from an out-of-state company, you are legally obligated to report the sale and pay the tax in your home state. The fact that no one does is why states are now trying to collect the tax at the time of purchase -- it's not about Democrats or Republicans. Or about the internet being the Magic Land Beyond Taxes.

  • 29 Posted by min_rdd on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:21PM EDT Report Abuse

    The government shall not regulate interstate commerce...but then again, I think the Constitution will be losing more and more of its actual relevance in the next 4 years. The Articles of Confederation failed because of this.

  • 30 Posted by kystevedub on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:55PM EDT Report Abuse

    Hey jeraledoux - Obama's not even in office yet - how can you blame him???? I hate paying as much in taxes as I do, but the online retailers have an unfair advantage over the local sellers. I have lost some huge deals ($200K +) because even though I was cheaper than CDW I have to charge taxes and they don't. If the tax passes it will just even the playing field for local merchants. People will still buy, just from different sources so hold up on the doom and gloom that this will kill the online merchants and more people will lose their jobs.

  • 31 Posted by ricardo_r21 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:38PM EDT Report Abuse

    To all who are blaming Obama for this, do you not see that he has not even taken office therefore he still doesn't have the authority to make any laws increase/decrease taxes?? do you not see it says "states" not federal. People need to stop blaming democrats or republicans and point the finger to the state legislatures.

  • 32 Posted by jeff250cr on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:31PM EDT Report Abuse

    Where does it end??? Taxes: Income, Property, Sales, Savings, Dividends, Gas, Phone, Utilities, Hotel, Cigarette, Beer & Alcohol, Tolls, etc. This is just off the top of my head. If you added up all the taxes you pay in a year it would be sickening!!!!!! I looked at my home phone bill last week, out of the $41 there were 10 taxes that added up to almost $12.....absolutely ABSURD!!!!! Now the last safe haven from taxes, the internet will be taxed. Wasn't one of the reasons this country was started was to flee England's high tariffs???.....

  • 33 Posted by jio_izajen3 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:35PM EDT Report Abuse

    I can't believe that our Government is trying to find yet another way to get more money. It's ridiculous that anyone would blame our current problem on one person (President Bush). Our economy didn't fail overnight & it didn't take one person to do it either. One thing's for sure online purchases will decline along w/ their department store counterparts. The solution?? We need to vote better people into office that aren't out to satisfy their own agendas....the sad part is that we will probably never see that day.

  • 34 Posted by keilykj on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:48PM EDT Report Abuse

    Agree with jdpnow...The gov't shows no logic when deciding what to tax. Why not tax things that were made illegal, but people use anyways like online gambling and marijuana? Offshore companies handling gambling transactions and drug dealers are being rewarded by US policy while internet bargain hunters and retailers are going to be punished for legitimate business.

  • 35 Posted by bdiscer88 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:04PM EDT Report Abuse

    Am I the only person who sees an absurdity in the fact that any government entity has any claim whatever in any free exchange between two people (or a person and a group of people or between two groups of people)? If I trade 5 pairs of woolen socks for another person’s quart of motor oil, do I have to give 5% of 5 pairs of socks (or 0.5 of one sock) to the government, or does my trading partner have to give 5% of one quart (or 1.6 oz) of motor oil to the government? Since they are both goods, is there any sales tax? If there is a sales tax, which one of us is obligated to appraise our goods in federal reserve notes and pay the tax on that appraisal? If there is no sales tax, why is there sales tax simply because the exchange is goods for federal reserve notes?

  • 36 Posted by ssab72 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:38PM EDT Report Abuse

    Good God, why does everything have to come down to Dems vs Repub. The nation is facing a economic crisis, and states are trying to find new revenue streams. It's everyone's fault. Shouldn't we try to look at ways to keep this from happening instead of looking for someone to blame?

  • 39 Posted by willirambo on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:47PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have to agree totally with alafarmgirl. If the rest of you knuckleheads can't see that then there is no hope for this country. It isn't Dems or Pubs it is just stupid greedy governments (large and small) who have gotten so far away from the principals of our founders that they should all be tarred and feathered! [figuratively, not literally!]

  • 40 Posted by sirlordsoul on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:24PM EDT Report Abuse

    The author is either profoundly dishonest or profoundly ignorant: The Internet is NOT and has never been a "strict 'no tax' zone." A use tax is due on all remote purchases in states with sales taxes, except the burden is on the buyer to file such taxes -- which is why they're rarely enforced. Also, contrary to what you imply, Amazon has actively attended governing board meetings and participated in discussions. If you have a position, fine, but at least get your facts straight.

  • 41 Posted by ricksome2810 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:40PM EDT Report Abuse

    Well, then if the U.S. Gov't wins this case and sales tax becomes part of on-line sales then many of these Web Companies will move their business overseas or into Canada/Mexico. The U.S. can't go after companies in other countries to force them to charge sales tax! I can get products on-line from Japan or England and NOT have to pay sales tax! The Gov't can't touch those companies EVER!

  • 42 Posted by ricardo_r21 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:38PM EDT Report Abuse

    #32 is right, i wonder what would of happened if we still would of been a part of the british, we would be taxed less cause we pay a tax on everything, including darn food, how ridiculous is that.

  • 43 Posted by eflamberson on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:52PM EDT Report Abuse

    sturner60653 is right, taking money out of your pockets for B.S. crosses party lines. rorbincalendar, not to be a"crazy liberal" but Clinton did take over after a recession partially caused by supply-side economic policy (thanks, Ron and Sr.). So, it wouldn't surprise me if Obama ends up rasing taxes. Let's just hope that darn Marxist Obama doesn't take away our Howizters or Gatling guns! Amirite?

  • 44 Posted by morenoj5958 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:26PM EDT Report Abuse

    Amazing the number of people that don't actually understand that internet sales is nothing more than simple catalog sales. So tax the internet, you tax all catalog sales. Now think about that a moment. Secondly, doesn't anyone understand the concept of state rights? It's in our US Constitution. This is a states rights issue. Maybe folks actually reading the document might help.

  • 45 Posted by mzab24 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:32PM EDT Report Abuse

    If they think that this will improve the economy they have got to be kidding. I for one will stop spending my excess money I have been spending all together. In the past 6 months I think I have spent an easy $2000 on movies and other items from amazon.com

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