Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:19AM EST
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Faced with crushing deficits, depressed tax revenues, and a grim outlook for 2009, states across the country are taking another hard look at taxing interstate sales completed on the web. Once a strict "no tax" zone, those walls are now on the verge of crumbling.
Following the lead of tax-hungry New York, 22 states and hundreds of retailers have joined a group called the Streamlined Sales Tax Governing Board. The goal of the group is to simplify the methods by which sales taxes are calculated, collected, and transmitted online by creating a set of tax rules that rolls the thousands of state, county, and city tax codes into a single, simplified code. And the SSTGB also wants to make those rules apply to all online purchasers, even those across state lines, not just buyers in the same state as the seller's offices.
The SSTGB already has some of the biggest retailers around in its pocket, including Wal-Mart, Borders, and J.C. Penney.
Of course, not everyone is thrilled about the prospect of the e-taxman. Amazon is famously suing New York for its requirement that the company collect sales taxes for all sales to New York, despite the fact that Amazon doesn't have a physical presence there. It is collecting those taxes, though, in the meantime, as the case works its way to court.
Overstock, however, is not collecting those taxes, having fired 3,400 of its New York-based affiliates in order to skirt the NY legislation. (The recently-enacted law claims that locally-based "affiliates," which collect a commission on referrals for sales of products sent on to a third-party retailer, constitute a physical nexus in the state and thus make the retailer responsible for tax collection.) Overstock is also suing New York over the law.
What happens now? More waiting and negotiating for the forseeable future. As Forrester analyst Sucharita Mulpuru notes, "It's a legal morass. In a best-case scenario, it's going to take a while to sort everything out."
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Our greedy, irresponsible government will never stop finding ways to take our money until they've managed to take it all; then they'll use their Nazi hit squad (the IRS) to collect it all for them.
Welp, time to buy overseas-online junk....
lol@US tax chat rorbincalendar.... please read a book. its not just the Democrats that have take the mass majority of your money and waste it on BS. The repubs have taken you hard erned bucks as well. And to think....most of the taxes collected from American citizens, which are mainly poor - middle class, never gets put back in their pockets. Most of the taxes collected are used to make rich folks richer...pay off Debt that was created by the US government, giving to people that never pay money back----- see isreal...etc....not to poor American citizens that taxe payer usually ----- about. Can you say the mass majority of American citizens = slaves?
Here is a little information from the US Office Of Tax Analysis for sturner60653 who obviously has been opening books without any numbers in them. ___ In 2002 the latest year of available data, the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income._____Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual income taxes. _____ As for Republicans or Democrats, the last President to raise our taxes was Bill Clinton the next one will be Obama.
Simply go to www.fairtax.org and when you do, send this site to everyone you know and encoourage them to do the same. It explains why income tax is unconstitutional. We do not know our rights! We can win but the problem is getting everyone involved. BTW, taxing of food and clothing is unconstitutional. take care Potato King
Wow this is old news first of all. This was back in June. I was an affiliate that lost campaigns do to this tax in NYS. OK Bush is president of the US it is the govenors of states that want these taxes and notice NY leads the way it was the last thing Spitzer did before he left.
It's a pipe dream of the states. To sue an out of state company, they're going to have to go into the states home state and take them to court there. They can't just go in and physically shut them down if they refuse to pay the taxes. 2nd point is there is not going to be any way to simplify the tax collection. When I buy something local there's State, City, and County sales tax. And it varies about 1-2% in about 10 miles in each of the 4 compass directions. You'd have to pass a federal flat rate sales tax to get something like this done.
Not only does shopping on the internet provide very competitive prices, but the added advantage of no sales tax has made it a winner for me. If sales tax is going to be added to shipping/packaging costs, then the advantages and convenience of on-line shopping will be severely compromised. Something I am not looking forward at all
so, economy bad and people on limited budgets. Say an average sales tax of 6%: many people will be forced to cutback online purchases by said 6% Result: online retailers hurt, require more layoffs, meaning higher unemployment, less income tax revenue, etc. Wow, the liberals are "geniuses"... (note I said "liberals", NOT democrats, as many of the current crop of republicans are in no way fiscally conservative!)
So much for selling on ebay...
Taxation without representation is what ? Doesn't matter what your Political party is.
Hello. I live in a state with NO sales tax(NH). My on-line purchases I am sure will go UP in price even though my State has no sales tax or income tax. Bye bye on-line retailers!!!! I will be forced to buy locally!!! Thanks, Obama!!
#8 summed it up in one line. "Welp, time to buy overseas-online junk...." That will be even more US companies and jobs headed overseas. Also, I'm not an expert on this by any means, but I always found it odd that they can tax food and clothes as stated in #11. They claim we have all these freedoms and rights.... are we suppose to take advantage of them while being naked and hungry?
eBay will head down the tubes. Lots of online retailers will bite the dust. Oh well . . .
jeraledoux, What a shame! You would have to buy locally. If everyone would come together and care about each other, including the small businesses in your own home town, we would all be better off.
internet tax has been around for over half a year and i hate it.the tax here is expensive(8.375%) compared to the neighboring states.i dont mind paying tax if only the government would stop giving our money to some stupid team so they can build their new stadium
Every state that is facing financial ruin needs to take a good hard look at how they have spent their money. As always when poor leadership reigns it is the hard working public that has to foot the bills. Enough already!!! It is time to vote our the incompentent & vote in new leadership that is trying to balance the budget. The people are tired of hard luck stories & idiotic spending!!!
This sucks. Naturally, the government will defer fiscal responsibility to the taxpayers rather than balancing the darn budget. You idiots can blame Bush or Obama all you want, but you're still idiots. One way or another, this country has to learn to balance its budgets and there are only two ways to do that. It's almost a certainty that actually getting to an equilibrium will require both a reduction in spending AND increased taxes. The question is who ends up paying the most.
So here we go again blaming GW for something that he had nothing to do with. For your information dubyac99..New York passed this law way back in the 1960's that's right 1960's. I used to live in the great state of NY but moved 3 years ago, and this along with all the other taxing NY does was one of the reasons I moved. NY is a TAX state. There is a line item on the NY Income Tax form that asks you if you purchased anything out of state that NY would collect tax on so they can get more money out of you. And here's another one, when I sold my home in NY I had to pay a tax for the opportunity to sell my home! They taxed me when I bought it, tax me while I lived in it and taxed me when I sold it.
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6 Posted by yooperjer on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:57PM EDT Report Abuse
Why does everyone feel the need to whine about internet sales tax? Most states have a use tax clause in their sales tax law which requires the purchaser to pay the sales tax if it is not collected by the retailer. The only thing a sales tax being collected on the sales would change is that the purchaser does not need to file. I know no-one files this form but that is why the states are changing the enforcement to the retail not the purchaser.