Internet sales taxes creeping closer to reality

Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:19AM EST

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Faced with crushing deficits, depressed tax revenues, and a grim outlook for 2009, states across the country are taking another hard look at taxing interstate sales completed on the web. Once a strict "no tax" zone, those walls are now on the verge of crumbling.

Following the lead of tax-hungry New York, 22 states and hundreds of retailers have joined a group called the Streamlined Sales Tax Governing Board. The goal of the group is to simplify the methods by which sales taxes are calculated, collected, and transmitted online by creating a set of tax rules that rolls the thousands of state, county, and city tax codes into a single, simplified code. And the SSTGB also wants to make those rules apply to all online purchasers, even those across state lines, not just buyers in the same state as the seller's offices.

The SSTGB already has some of the biggest retailers around in its pocket, including Wal-Mart, Borders, and J.C. Penney.

Of course, not everyone is thrilled about the prospect of the e-taxman. Amazon is famously suing New York for its requirement that the company collect sales taxes for all sales to New York, despite the fact that Amazon doesn't have a physical presence there. It is collecting those taxes, though, in the meantime, as the case works its way to court.

Overstock, however, is not collecting those taxes, having fired 3,400 of its New York-based affiliates in order to skirt the NY legislation. (The recently-enacted law claims that locally-based "affiliates," which collect a commission on referrals for sales of products sent on to a third-party retailer, constitute a physical nexus in the state and thus make the retailer responsible for tax collection.) Overstock is also suing New York over the law.

What happens now? More waiting and negotiating for the forseeable future. As Forrester analyst Sucharita Mulpuru notes, "It's a legal morass. In a best-case scenario, it's going to take a while to sort everything out."

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  • 66 Posted by roswlkr on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:52PM EDT Report Abuse

    This is not a democratic or republican issue this is a revenue issue. States are in the red and they're looking at online purchases to boost their state economy. It only makes sense to try to recoup loses by taxing Americans even further. Also, do your homework before you start placing blame on political parties. This issue has been brought up before and it will continue to be an issue until the states succeed. If you don't want this law to be passed then contact your state representative, start a petition and take action!

  • 67 Posted by alan_r_cam on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:49PM EDT Report Abuse

    So, you'll tax goods going interstate. What about overseas? As a non-US person, my original indifference has been overcome by the potential for making a few dollars- as an OFF-SHORE clearing house. Items sent to my Clearing Warehouse in (for example) the Cayman Islands can be forwarded to your US address. Provided I charge less than you'd pay in taxes, I should turn a nice little profit.

  • 68 Posted by babie_cz on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:01PM EDT Report Abuse

    We're working for the US government. We continously support them(the government) by paying them to make sure we pay more taxes. We get taxed from the paycheck we bring home, get taxed for buying almost anything & everything. The gap between the rich and the poor is as wide as the pacific ocean. I think I might have to migrate back to China.

  • 69 Posted by leonjulius1979 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 6:49PM EDT Report Abuse

    Some of the perks of shopping online is not having to hassle with going out into crowded malls and super mega Wal-marts and not having to pay taxes on the products. Now these A-holes are going to screw things up more by charging taxes on our online orders... that is stupid! So now customers will have to pay for the product, the shipping and plus the taxes. New York has no right especially!

  • 70 Posted by wyell1982 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:51PM EDT Report Abuse

    I live in Oregon (a non-sales tax state) and if I have to start paying sales tax to other states to buy from the Internet I just won't do it anymore. Our state gets it's money from our property taxes and I'm not about to pay some other states tax bill when I don't even live there. I don't mind paying sales tax for purchases when I am physically in a state with the tax, but it is ridiculous if they expect sales tax to be paid for Internet purchases from residence of non-sales tax states.

  • 71 Posted by brets_valet on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:12PM EDT Report Abuse

    There are some states like Ohio and PA that do not tax food. Actually PA doesn't tax anything that is deemed by the state to be a necessity. Then you have other states like NC that put a sales tax on everything.

  • 72 Posted by shore_enough on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:21PM EDT Report Abuse

    Go Amazon and Overstock, we all need to get behind them and support our right to do business out of state without being subjected to taxation. As one of the million shoppers that go to these retailers first...in an attempt to save a dollar to spend later, adding taxes and shipping costs will bring what is left of internet retail sales to thier preverbal knees. Tell me again how this will help our struggling economy? My State requires full disclosure of all purchases made online...so they can tax me...right I get right to figuring that up for ya!

  • 73 Posted by gene65mustang on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:07PM EDT Report Abuse

    The goverment is the problem!!! things where good when the economy was doing well and WHAM guess what they fell into what most fell into "LETS SPEND" get loans pay for the big tiicket items lets go into debt!! WOW amazing how people pick this party and that party, but it adside and behold we as a nation like to spend more than what we make or get from taxes!! Let's take our nation back as most people have a good idea how to budget there afairs. I pay my fair share and still have a roof over my head as for many who thought there is no end, well good things to come to an end" And now the states are dipping into areas which to compensate for housing foreclosures. My two cents

  • 74 Posted by samvaughan09 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:02PM EDT Report Abuse

    I bought one of those Awesome Augers and, while I was checking out, I was (repeatedly) asked if I'd also like the "bonus" drill ... just pay shipping & handling of $35 -or - the "bonus" extention ... just pay shipping & handling of $18. Riiiiight. I think the only way the gov can get away with this taxation is to tax online companies, not consumers.And if that company happens to be in another state, too bad gov. Oh ... opps ... that's kinda the way things are now. I agree with #66 roswlkr ... put some energy into starting a petition, which is sort of like a Superbowl Pool that doesn't require a buy-in!

  • 75 Posted by thekraken85 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:04PM EDT Report Abuse

    Royal 18 burn in ----- heck people can barely pay their rent or feed their children right now and you want to raise taxes, I hope you die

  • 76 Posted by ron34698 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:49PM EDT Report Abuse

    Taxation without representation. If I have to pay a tax to a state I can't vote in, isn't that the reason this country was formed in the first place?

  • 77 Posted by bezmallc on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:06PM EDT Report Abuse

    ill never gonna buy online again,now you have to pay tax and S&H,good talk

  • 78 Posted by gene65mustang on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:07PM EDT Report Abuse

    I agree ron34698 to our taxation, well the representation is our state congress elects, heck I have sent countless emails and still do not get a response!! Tells you where I fall in the "US Food Chain".. I am sure there are countless of us who are sick and tired of the taxes and the countless times of the government and media telling us "Look what other countries are taxing", well this is not another country!!! If I am not mistaking I do think I am living in the U.S.? Where is the accountability for any of these represenatives who can justify the taxes to us "Common Folk".

  • 79 Posted by xamdu on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:51PM EDT Report Abuse

    I see this new tax situation as another way to hurt the economy, because who ultimately pays the price??? The consumer, that's who. In an economy that people are not buying as much as before, yes, sales are starting to slip, but with the prices of things as they are, who is to blame? So now, they want us to pay more money (the tax) to purchase online, which has been on of the best places to buy these days... Why not just shot the economy and pit it out of its misery??? Why is always the consumer and tax payer who end up having to pay more when things are tough???

  • 80 Posted by ngc1702 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:36PM EDT Report Abuse

    It looks like the real problem is that nobody posting comments about this article has enough power and money to avoid paying taxes. The obvious solution is to become extremely wealthy and powerful, and tweak the rules to suit your own needs.

  • 81 Posted by jedimaster_gary on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:31PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have an odd question which state would collect the tax the seller state or the buyer state? and on that note say I live in NH which is posted here to have no sales tax, would I pay the other states tax? and if it is the sellers state for the sales tax businesses will move their operations to states the dont do a sales tax. this little idea will bury itself when the debate gets rolling.

  • 82 Posted by mistrp on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:22PM EDT Report Abuse

    Yet another reason for companies to move their businesses and jobs out of the USA.

  • 83 Posted by darwincollins on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:37PM EDT Report Abuse

    Its no wonder why Wal-Mart, Borders, and J.C. Penney are in the vote to charge sales tax, since they have a physical presence in every state. However, it would have been nice if the article talked about some of the basic direction of how the taxation would actually work, since, there are alot of ways to do.

  • 84 Posted by lyncayolle on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:01PM EDT Report Abuse

    Tax! Smax! My main reason for shopping online is the tax-free and often free s/h. If these greedy "fat cats" get it there way we online shoppers will be forced back into the crowded stores. Customer Service sucks the big one becuase the "fat cats" have caused major companies into closing their doors. The "fat cats" already suckered us out of 700 gazilllion dollars. How much more of our tax dollars do they need to buy more houses, boats, and boob jobs for their teenage mistresses? Pa Leez. Change isa comin' yeah. my a-- pal!

  • 85 Posted by stp1963iw on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:45PM EDT Report Abuse

    My personal #1 reason to shop online is NO SALES TAX !!!. . . followed by FREE SHIPPING. Morons will always feel slighted . ..

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