RIM: We record "everything" [updated]

Wed Mar 4, 2009 11:49AM EST

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Kind of creepy news trickling out of Research in Motion, the company that makes the phenomenally successful Blackberry. In an interview with ZDNet, the company's CIO, Robin Bienfait, said that RIM records, well, pretty much everything you do within its walls, including your personal phone calls.

Specifically, "all actions carried out on RIM's internal network" are logged, which means emails, web browsing, and phone calls, all recorded for posterity. "I record everything," said Bienfait, putting it bluntly.

Many office workers are accustomed to IT oversight of their computer habits -- email is backed up for legal and data security purposes (though it's rarely ever read) and many companies restrict employees from visiting certain websites -- not just gambling/gaming/porn but also career and sometimes even "gossip" sites. But recording every phone call? Even for die-hard "employer rights" advocates, that's a tough one to swallow.

Naturally Bienfait is concerned about leaks, as the company, like most of the current-era tech world, jealously guards the details about its upcoming product line. Should word get out about what RIM is working on, untold amounts of damage could be rained down on the company. Why, just imagine how many people would be knocking off the BlackBerry Storm and its mega-button design had they gotten wind of it in advance...

For the most part, employees seem to accept the Big Brother treatment, but things get dicey when employees have to deal with personal issues on work time -- say, a divorce proceeding or medical conversations -- things which they'd probably rather not have recorded permanently by Bienfait's crew. Her advice: Bring in a cell phone and take the call there instead.

Just don't do it on your corporate BlackBerry. Those are of course monitored too.

UPDATE: A RIM spokesperson responds that the linked ZDNet story is "inaccurate." Her unedited comments follow.

I wanted to follow up with you regarding your recent story about RIM which suggests RIM records all employee calls. This story is inaccurate and I must therefore ask you to update the story. RIM does not record employee phone calls. Robin Bienfait's comments, which originally appeared in ZDNet Australia, were intended to describe a capability that exists with RIM's BlackBerry MVS technology. This technology allows companies to record both voice and data based conversations, which is particularly useful for RIM's customers in regulated industries that require such ability, but Ms. Bienfait did not intend to suggest that RIM itself records employee phone calls.

RIM has deployed an internal beta test of its latest MVS technology to a subset of employees and Ms. Bienfait intended to convey that RIM was recording data that is transmitted over voice channels (ie. SMS
messages) as well as data channels (ie. email messages and IM chat sessions), but RIM is not recording the phone calls of the employees involved in the beta test or any other employees.

The quotes in the original ZDNet story seem awfully clear and incontrovertible to me ("I record everything."), so one has to wonder where the breakdown in communication occured...

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  • 46 Posted by mva5580 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:30PM EDT Report Abuse

    They're company, they can do whatever the heck they want within legal restrictions. Don't like it? Don't work there.

  • 47 Posted by bigblkpapi2 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:06PM EDT Report Abuse

    I would think that there are some ethical issues here. first off, concering medical records and Hipaa regulations. There are some grey areas. I cannot believ their employess are not up in arms about this. When will people stop selling out their personal liberties. I often think if founding fathers or citizens from previous generations saw what we call freedom they would laugh.

  • 48 Posted by roscaf on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:51PM EDT Report Abuse

    Is that legal? From http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs9-wrtp.htm: Federal law allows recording of phone calls and other electronic communications with the consent of at least one party to the call.

  • 49 Posted by dubear.rm on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:49PM EDT Report Abuse

    The company computers, the company owned and paid for phone, all employers can and have been able to get a list of all calls, date time, duration. Record them, the pho nes must be set to be filtered through thier system, now sourced out. So use your own, on your time, some where in the employee policy and procedures manual or the agreement to use company owned phones you have to have been warned all calls and computers are subject to monitoring. THis will decrease any chances of litigation in the future and keeps them from having to pay you your golden parachute/unemployment benefits after they excort you to the curb. Or

  • 50 Posted by gregory_zoll@bellsouth.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:13PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have always been annoyed by receiving personal calls at work, unless of course, it is an emergency. Another interesting thing caught my attention; "Bienfait" means well done in French!

  • 51 Posted by m1penner on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:01PM EDT Report Abuse

    Exactly how does spying on employees phone conversations prevent product leaks, it only would prevent leaking over the companies phones. Try another reason Mr. Bienfait.

  • 52 Posted by thmsnll71 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:07PM EDT Report Abuse

    All cell phone's, I Pod's,etc should be banned in the work place.Any worker warned more than once should be terminated Immediatly.--Immediatly.

  • 53 Posted by alexkim575 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:50PM EDT Report Abuse

    totally understand. their secrets (that make them able to provide jobs) are very valuable.

  • 54 Posted by randy021073 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:29PM EDT Report Abuse

    What happened to trust? I believe this type of policy is one of the reasons employee-employer relationships have turned acrimonious. There seems to be a lack of "Team" in many organizations. Could this be one of the reasons?

  • 55 Posted by john_h_golden on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:39PM EDT Report Abuse

    If it is there phones, they can record anything. I think that is the reason why people should us their cellphones for personal calls at work.

  • 56 Posted by mysteriis11 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:32PM EDT Report Abuse

    where you really thinking about how the employees would be treated when you decided to go to work at a company called "rim"? sounds like a rim job ring a bell?

  • 57 Posted by allen_maki on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:51PM EDT Report Abuse

    The problem is not the employee, but is the other party in case of the phone monitoring, unless the other party is prompted that the conversation is monitored.

  • 58 Posted by memenga7 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:16PM EDT Report Abuse

    If someone was going to steal secrets and talk about it over the phone, I am sure they would be using their cell phone, not the company's.

  • 59 Posted by scott_malecki on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:10PM EDT Report Abuse

    I work for a financial firm, and recording of phone calls is commonplace. I don't see what the big deal is. It is the companies phones, they can do with them what they want.

  • 60 Posted by cwillkerson on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:33PM EDT Report Abuse

    Who cares? They would have to be really bored to be listening to my phone calls. I am the snooze queen!

  • 61 Posted by jnb903 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:37PM EDT Report Abuse

    Nothing wrong with that......She says "bring a cell phone" (BTW she says the record every keystroke on yo9ur computer which would rule out Skype because they are recording EVERYTHING on your computer and I am sure that the IT dept. has the users blocked from adding apps to the corporate computers)

  • 62 Posted by sirade1 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:24PM EDT Report Abuse

    the Skype idea is possible, but many companies do not want you loading other software onto their hardware. And if the company is basically making a statement that you shouldn't be using company resources for personal business, do what the article said. Bring in a cel phone and your personal calls on your personal time.

  • 63 Posted by hd_abdel on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:17PM EDT Report Abuse

    We became slaves to the corporate world. I threw my blackberry to the wall when I saw this article. If they are doing this to their own employees then I am sure they are listening to my calls and messages when I used their gadget. We should protest, and stop buying products that are treating people and animals inhumanly

  • 64 Posted by seanbike on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:10PM EDT Report Abuse

    Do your personal business on you personal time and it won't be an issue. Need to talk to someone between 9-5? Make the call on your lunch break on YOUR cell phone not the COMPANIES phone.

  • 65 Posted by elmerfusco on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:53PM EDT Report Abuse

    Ok as long as everyone is informed of the policy.

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