RIM: We record "everything" [updated]

Wed Mar 4, 2009 11:49AM EST

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Kind of creepy news trickling out of Research in Motion, the company that makes the phenomenally successful Blackberry. In an interview with ZDNet, the company's CIO, Robin Bienfait, said that RIM records, well, pretty much everything you do within its walls, including your personal phone calls.

Specifically, "all actions carried out on RIM's internal network" are logged, which means emails, web browsing, and phone calls, all recorded for posterity. "I record everything," said Bienfait, putting it bluntly.

Many office workers are accustomed to IT oversight of their computer habits -- email is backed up for legal and data security purposes (though it's rarely ever read) and many companies restrict employees from visiting certain websites -- not just gambling/gaming/porn but also career and sometimes even "gossip" sites. But recording every phone call? Even for die-hard "employer rights" advocates, that's a tough one to swallow.

Naturally Bienfait is concerned about leaks, as the company, like most of the current-era tech world, jealously guards the details about its upcoming product line. Should word get out about what RIM is working on, untold amounts of damage could be rained down on the company. Why, just imagine how many people would be knocking off the BlackBerry Storm and its mega-button design had they gotten wind of it in advance...

For the most part, employees seem to accept the Big Brother treatment, but things get dicey when employees have to deal with personal issues on work time -- say, a divorce proceeding or medical conversations -- things which they'd probably rather not have recorded permanently by Bienfait's crew. Her advice: Bring in a cell phone and take the call there instead.

Just don't do it on your corporate BlackBerry. Those are of course monitored too.

UPDATE: A RIM spokesperson responds that the linked ZDNet story is "inaccurate." Her unedited comments follow.

I wanted to follow up with you regarding your recent story about RIM which suggests RIM records all employee calls. This story is inaccurate and I must therefore ask you to update the story. RIM does not record employee phone calls. Robin Bienfait's comments, which originally appeared in ZDNet Australia, were intended to describe a capability that exists with RIM's BlackBerry MVS technology. This technology allows companies to record both voice and data based conversations, which is particularly useful for RIM's customers in regulated industries that require such ability, but Ms. Bienfait did not intend to suggest that RIM itself records employee phone calls.

RIM has deployed an internal beta test of its latest MVS technology to a subset of employees and Ms. Bienfait intended to convey that RIM was recording data that is transmitted over voice channels (ie. SMS
messages) as well as data channels (ie. email messages and IM chat sessions), but RIM is not recording the phone calls of the employees involved in the beta test or any other employees.

The quotes in the original ZDNet story seem awfully clear and incontrovertible to me ("I record everything."), so one has to wonder where the breakdown in communication occured...

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  • 66 Posted by dolamitelover1 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:46PM EDT Report Abuse

    Okay so yeah you should go to work to work and that is it. But the more we allow the big CORPORATIONS and the big bad GOVERNMENT to do these things to us the more they have control over us and what we do. If we want to be controlled like this then we all should move to another country were we have no rights!!!! I do not think BIG BROTHER is the way to go I think it is wrong and sick!!

  • 68 Posted by immolatus2000 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:23PM EDT Report Abuse

    I work for a global bank and every call is recorded on us as well. It is just something you come to live with. There are even departments within the bank where the employees aren't allowed to bring cell phones, pens, pencils, paper.... anything that can be used to put information on or they get fired on the spot no ifs, ands or buts.

  • 69 Posted by tomcernius on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:15PM EDT Report Abuse

    There was a time when this would have caused a revolution/lawsuits/etc., now we all just accept it ho, hum, ho, hum. Phone calls recorded, Credit Reports Checked, Drug-Testing, Non-Compete agreements ... jeez, whats next? Stool Samples? Pictures of the inside of your car? Sexual history?

  • 70 Posted by govman65 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:11PM EDT Report Abuse

    As the IT admin person for my company...I agree whole heartedly. My company monitors everything too. This came about because of abuse from a few employees no longer here. If it werent for those individuals, I wouldnt be monitoring right now. If people would do what they are suppose to when at the office, everything would be fine. This is no different than what most all State and local govts do too with all computers, email, and phones such as blackberrys. Many Govt and School employees have gotten nailed lately for doing stupid things on their blackberrys...when will everyone learn.

  • 71 Posted by seadraygon on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:10PM EDT Report Abuse

    Wow- total LOSER leadership. A GOOD company treats its employees and encourages them in such a way as to inspire loyalty and acting in good faith. LOSER leadership: "At-Will Employee" - why should you give a crap about a company that make a point of emphasizing how expendable you are? Despite the BS, HR and Management are the enemy, no matter how big the smile or the bonus.

  • 72 Posted by braddelaney on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:12PM EDT Report Abuse

    This has to be a violation of privacy of some kind.

  • 73 Posted by kenmarlowe11 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:49PM EDT Report Abuse

    What is the world coming too, is there no justice? Where is the law? Just another giant trying take what is not theirs. Blackberry sucks and I hope their profits fall, I'll never do business with someone who has no respect for anything, not even a person's modesty. What a shame. If they will steal a person's privacy then they will steal a customers too.

  • 74 Posted by shawn.renzo on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:18PM EDT Report Abuse

    I am a traveling salesman. This is EXACTLY why I carry TWO lap tops and TWO cell phones. Business is for business and personal is for personal. I get a lot of looks going through airport security, but people will just have to wait their turn as I unload both my business and personal electronics and pass them through security. I do have a question though? I only use one wireless air card for both computers. It is a flat fee regardless of use time and it is a business connection. I wonder if big brother can see what I am surfing on my personal computer used with my business card... I Hope not...

  • 75 Posted by josephfortunato@ymail.com on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:41PM EDT Report Abuse

    personal communications are by defintion personal, so take/make them on personal phones/com-devices. what in that sentence is so hard to swallow? your probably making/taking them on company time anyway. love and kisses big bro

  • 76 Posted by jliferjr on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:36PM EDT Report Abuse

    Sorry, won't be working for them! And I for the most part am an employers rights person.

  • 77 Posted by pmalenfant2000 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:14PM EDT Report Abuse

    Most states have privacy laws that say you cannot record audio without all partys' consent including on private property (such as your own home). Let's see, they appear to be headquarted in Ontario. This thread says that in Ontario, one party of the conversation must give consent to the recording. That is not the case when a company blanket records everything. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=320423

  • 78 Posted by capnmike_s on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:17PM EDT Report Abuse

    Achtung...Ve haff vays of schticking our fatt schnouts in effrybody's personal bizness! If your Vife has a problem und needs to call her vit her gynecologist, ve are LISTENING! As long as you get the job done for which you were hired, there is no excuse for companies prying into any other aspect of your life.

  • 79 Posted by huanglkuo on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:21PM EDT Report Abuse

    Nothing wrong with RIM recording their empolyees' calls as long as it is disclosed up front when they were hired or prior to the practice going in to effect. When are the idiot office drones going to understand... there is no such thing as a private email or conversation when you are using your company's servers, networks and or systems. Grow up.

  • 80 Posted by naturescandi on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:34PM EDT Report Abuse

    The thing is you are supposed to be working while you are at work. If you get CAUGHT doing something wrong, that is your fault for doing something wrong in the first place. So who cares if they record stuff, they are right, they are paying you to work, not surf etc. Besides, the fact they have the option to record everything doesn't mean they can look at everything all the time, they just have the option too. So more then likely if something comes up that raises a red flag they will investigate, but that means someone was dumb enough to do enough wrong to get looked at in the first place. I say calm down and who cares.

  • 81 Posted by robertangel30 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:45PM EDT Report Abuse

    I see no problem with it. Company phones are for company use. Use your cell phone instead and certainly not on company time.

  • 82 Posted by cindylovewell@verizon.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:25PM EDT Report Abuse

    Why are so many people whining about this? Do not use company equipment for your personal use. It is not okay and it is not your right. You only look like a moron for complaining that you don't like it.

  • 83 Posted by bialung27 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:06PM EDT Report Abuse

    @5 The problem is work is not life... Life happens whether we want it to or not. We work to live not live to work.. Personal issues do not have a schedule.. Like getting cancer... You can't say "I'm here to work so I'm not going to deal with my health issues".. If you expect people to act like that then you are better off using robots to do the work. Until they spring a leak that is... But wait you are not supposed to do that at work.. Geez even the military doesn't have such an unrealistic approach to work. They do spy on you thou... :)

  • 84 Posted by capnmike_s on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:17PM EDT Report Abuse

    I get hired to do a particular job. I am being paid to get that job done, and done well. As long as I do that, I do not believe it is any of the company's business what I put in my body, who I talk to on my phone, or any other aspect of my personal life. I would immediately quit if I found I were being spied on.

  • 85 Posted by smd4now on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:28PM EDT Report Abuse

    This is silly. Like an employee couldn't spill the beans on something from their home phone or computer. Paranoia is one of the signs of schizophrenia.

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