Why Major Flight Delays Are Getting Worse

Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:34AM EST

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Last week, a little ice in the air caused a few JetBlue planes to sit on the runway without taking off. By the end of the day, at least one of them had sat on the runway at Kennedy Airport for 10 hours with, and I hesitate to describe this, "toilets overflowing."

Wait a sec. This is 2007! Are we still supposed to be having issues with airplanes sitting on runways for half a day? While you might think technology would have offered up more options for communication between airplanes and airports, the opposite is actually true: The FAA discourages planes from heading back to the jetway, which causes airlines to avoid contacting anyone for help. The Wall Street Journal (by way of AZ Central) has the story. (You'll have to offer a zip code to get to the piece, but it beats paying for the WSJ's website.)

In JetBlue's case, the story of last Wednesday reads like a Shakespearean tragedy. It starts with JetBlue, which waited until 3pm to ask for help from anyone. JetBlue had managed to sneak a few planes off the ground in bad weather in previous years, and it figured it could do the same this time. No dice. Instead, planes full of passengers piled up on the tarmac, none headed anywhere. By the time the jig was up, JetBlue waited for hours to get passengers off the planes, despite the presence of empty gates at JFK.

Why are things getting so bad? I don't want to spoil all the fun of the article (there's plenty of finger-pointing), but the bottom line is that airlines have no incentive to coordinate with ground crews, and no penalty for stranding people on jets for the better part of a day. But with most airlines in or near bankruptcy (even JetBlue is fading from its glory days), who's going to push for reforms?

Still, the best solution (in my opinion) would be to require better coordination between planes and the ground, enact some basic rules (nothing insane, just some common sense) about how long a plane can sit on the runway without taking off, and develop a response for getting people off planes even if there are no gates available. Alas, change requires a lot of incentive (usually financial), and the airlines (like most big industries) have major support from the government to keep them up and running: Perhaps the best we can hope for is an open apology, like JetBlue sent to just about everyone who'd ever flown the airline.

There's some good news. Fortunately, a few airports seem to be developing responses for airline strandings, and there's even talk of legislation to prevent such atrocities from happening again (though such rules have never gotten far in the past). JetBlue seems to be taking this incident especially seriously. What would you suggest as fair rules against stranding passengers this way?

Then again, Mother Nature is never going to be cooperative no matter what we puny humans decide to do. A friend of mine spent three days in Denver's airport when it became snowed in. And you thought having to turn off your cell phone was an inconvenience...  

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  • 6 Posted by amostuckgrad on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:53PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have an idea. Get a job with no travel. Air travel will only get worse.

  • 7 Posted by curtis_n94521 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:32PM EDT Report Abuse

    Here's the net net of this issue: Once we are on an airplane, the airline owns us. The crew is protected by federal law and your behavior is subject to federal penality. The crew wears the collar of authority. Once on the airplane, free market forces do not apply. You cannot just get up and leave. You cannot take your business elsewhere. There is no customer service representative to complain to. You cannot demand to speak with the Manager. If a passenger demanded to leave and decided to try, they would be arrested. It's not like deciding to leave WalMart to drive over to Kmart. In short, you are a hostage. So while Jet Blue is correct that customers may not fly with them again, a Passenger Bill of Rights that provides some level of protection for the passenger during the time we have boarded an airplane and turned over our freedom to the airline is indeed an appropriate course of action.

  • 8 Posted by tongue_twister_for_the_mind on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:16PM EDT Report Abuse

    "It's because there's too many security guards at the airports and they are delaying people in thier fake support of Bush's terror wars". Making up excuses for 'your' safety.

  • 9 Posted by ispyonli on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:25PM EDT Report Abuse

    Jet Blue! From what I see Jet Blue books 100% of its flights and there are no contingency plans if a plane is unable to fly. They cannot "rebook" passengers for the following day because 100% of those flights are booked. They have no alternative but to get THAT plane out, one way or another, no matter how long the delay.

  • 10 Posted by jpconard on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:42PM EDT Report Abuse

    Simple, a plane should not leave the gate if it will not be cleared for take-off due to weather. Does this weather just blow in at the last minute or something?

  • 11 Posted by loren_1955 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 6:56PM EDT Report Abuse

    I walk into a stranger's car and we drive out onto the street. Rather than moving on we sit in the street for 10 hours. I am not allowed to get out of the car no matter my needs, no matter how much I please. In this instance, the stranger would be arrested for kidnapping and I am sure a half dozen other charges. The airlines get off scot free for greedy, lazy, self-centered, uncaring, poor service decisions. Strange that getting on a plane we give up all our rights and defences.

  • 12 Posted by t14dooder on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:53PM EDT Report Abuse

    Airplanes are TTTs in decline. Their prestigiosity as a form of transportation is far exceeded by the WGWAG of helicopter transit. Ineed, there are far more models and bottles to be had, as well as CGWBTs.

  • 13 Posted by harvard4point0 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:17PM EDT Report Abuse

    Did anyone else click this story because they thought "Y! Tech blogger Chris Null thinks he knows the answer" ?? How about reporting the story yourself, Chris, not sending us to a page that sends us to a page? Or at least get your editors at Y! to start writing accurate headlines. Awful.

  • 14 Posted by paul5mq on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:02PM EDT Report Abuse

    I would love to see a DA file kidnapping charges against the airlines. I really dont care how inconvenienced the airlines are in these situations. They wanted de-regualtions and Reagan gave it to them, now they struggle to survive. Be careful what you wish for!!

  • 15 Posted by brucster_99 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:14PM EDT Report Abuse

    Well there you have it why don't you people stop flying! There are buses, trains, private airplanes and of course the old fashioned drive there yourself! Don't feel sorry or any of you people!

  • 16 Posted by jm_vertovec on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:37PM EDT Report Abuse

    The Federal Government needs to step in and adopt a policy that is along the lines of the Consumer policy Jet Blue is putting out. Something that protects the consumer rather than being 100% focused on the airlines. The FAA has more rules and regulations than you would care to read regarding the Airlines and Airports, but not one rule or regulation regarding how the airlines or airports are supposed to deal with consumer related issues. One would think the FAA was created to protect the big business of flying rather than being a regulatory agency designed to keep the passengers rights in mind. But, what do you expect with the republicans in charge.

  • 17 Posted by huskerat on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:21PM EDT Report Abuse

    the funny thing is that passengers keep also getting stupider and stupider despite all the attention that airlines receive,you'd think passengers would pay attention your paying to get from point a to point b thats it now sit down shut up and be courteous and please keep telling yourslf its not all about me over and over because its not ever about just you its about everyone if your cold bring a sweater if your hot take it off if your thirsty bring some water, if your nosy is runny have atissue, bring a pen to write with, use your sweater as a pillow if you cant lift your bag dont pack so much crap and now have anice flight,nebraskarules

  • 18 Posted by nettie4614 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:36PM EDT Report Abuse

    As long as people fly, the airlines will continue to treat passengers as they do. If possible, take a bus, drive a car, ride a train. It goes back to people returning again and again to these airlines to be mistreated over and over.

  • 19 Posted by pocciinc@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:15PM EDT Report Abuse

    My 2 grandchildren and I were victums of a cancelled flight into Denver on Feb.15th. They changed our flight until 1 1/2 hrs later. Then after sitting on the tarmac we were told the pilot had gone to his maximum hours. Then after waiting in lines about 2 hours were told nonrefundable tickets. Must use within A YEAR ON UNITED. After many hours and phone calls our luggage was delivered 4 days later. So even if we recheduled to Denver the next day we had no luggage. My grandson says he will never get on a plane again. All in all we were at O'Hare for 6 1/2 hours. Never to get anywhere. These flights were given to us as gifts from my daughter.

  • 20 Posted by mmcaul6176 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:23PM EDT Report Abuse

    There's alot of other things in the world now that are just as bad! Like having to wait years to get a job when your over 30. Also sitting in a hospital for weeks without eating, drinking, or taking a shower is harder than being on a plane for 10 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 21 Posted by ereyno1 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:55PM EDT Report Abuse

    A little ice? Were you in NY that day? Some areas near LGA and JFK it rained...then froze. When they said the wheels froze to the tarmac they were being serious. The biggest mistake was Jet Blue believing they would actually take off. They should have returned everyone back to the gates after an hour (two max). Pull up the buses and deal with everyone screaming inside the warm, toilet flushing airport terminal.

  • 22 Posted by thomas1127@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:08PM EDT Report Abuse

    Absolutely no excuse for sitting up to 10 hours. Like being in jail with no appeal. And as a customer, you are required to sit and take it with no complaints. What other industry can treat customers so poorly witn complete impunity. The law is on their side.

  • 23 Posted by paradox2920 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:59PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have a real easy solution for that M20jflyer, you send ALL the airplanes back to unload and they're requeued as weather permits. I guarantee you that barring a natural disaster occuring just outside the aircraft (making the aircraft the only survivable place to be) I will not be held hostage on a plane for 11 hours, ever. The problem is that just like the government with Katrina, the resources are there, the capability is there but noone get get their heads out of the "clouds" long enough to do the right thing. Unfortunately for consumers the airlines provide a fairly irreplaceable service and enjoy a large amount of government protection while doing so, and it will probably take more incidents like this to do anything about it.

  • 24 Posted by centexdave on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:21PM EDT Report Abuse

    I once sat on the tarmac at DFW on a Delta flight from Boston for 8 hours while an ice storm hit. There was no place to dock the plane. Delta knew this would happen prior to take-off from Boston, but figured it would be cheaper to depart Boston rather than having to reschedule everyone to the next day and pay for hotels, meals, etc. It was the last time I flew Delta. I have about had it with airline travel. The customer service is terrible; the food (what there is of it anymore) is poor. Last time I had to go from Texas to the east coast I drove. It was a fun time. Sure it took two long days, but my company allowed the extra time.

  • 25 Posted by curtis_siemens on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:32PM EDT Report Abuse

    Actually what needs to happen is for a few of the really bad airlines to go broke, then the others can raise their rates and then better service can return because the remaining airlines could afford it.

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