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Last week, a little ice in the air caused a few JetBlue planes to sit on the runway without taking off. By the end of the day, at least one of them had sat on the runway at Kennedy Airport for 10 hours with, and I hesitate to describe this, "toilets overflowing."
Wait a sec. This is 2007! Are we still supposed to be having issues with airplanes sitting on runways for half a day? While you might think technology would have offered up more options for communication between airplanes and airports, the opposite is actually true: The FAA discourages planes from heading back to the jetway, which causes airlines to avoid contacting anyone for help. The Wall Street Journal (by way of AZ Central) has the story. (You'll have to offer a zip code to get to the piece, but it beats paying for the WSJ's website.)
In JetBlue's case, the story of last Wednesday reads like a Shakespearean tragedy. It starts with JetBlue, which waited until 3pm to ask for help from anyone. JetBlue had managed to sneak a few planes off the ground in bad weather in previous years, and it figured it could do the same this time. No dice. Instead, planes full of passengers piled up on the tarmac, none headed anywhere. By the time the jig was up, JetBlue waited for hours to get passengers off the planes, despite the presence of empty gates at JFK.
Why are things getting so bad? I don't want to spoil all the fun of the article (there's plenty of finger-pointing), but the bottom line is that airlines have no incentive to coordinate with ground crews, and no penalty for stranding people on jets for the better part of a day. But with most airlines in or near bankruptcy (even JetBlue is fading from its glory days), who's going to push for reforms?
Still, the best solution (in my opinion) would be to require better coordination between planes and the ground, enact some basic rules (nothing insane, just some common sense) about how long a plane can sit on the runway without taking off, and develop a response for getting people off planes even if there are no gates available. Alas, change requires a lot of incentive (usually financial), and the airlines (like most big industries) have major support from the government to keep them up and running: Perhaps the best we can hope for is an open apology, like JetBlue sent to just about everyone who'd ever flown the airline.
There's some good news. Fortunately, a few airports seem to be developing responses for airline strandings, and there's even talk of legislation to prevent such atrocities from happening again (though such rules have never gotten far in the past). JetBlue seems to be taking this incident especially seriously. What would you suggest as fair rules against stranding passengers this way?
Then again, Mother Nature is never going to be cooperative no matter what we puny humans decide to do. A friend of mine spent three days in Denver's airport when it became snowed in. And you thought having to turn off your cell phone was an inconvenience...
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Christopher usually has something intelligent to say on most matters. I'm surprised how pointless this piece really is. This is nothing more then a rant. We've become so immersed in the "me" phenomenon, that whenever something goes wrong we instantly seek to allocate blame and demand heads on a block. As an airline pilot I see this all too often where passengers don't understand and don't care. This alarms me. Yes, the aviation industry isn't perfect, the weather isn't perfect and I'm not perfect. I've simply come to grips with that there are things I can control, and things that I can't. So Christopher, you consider yourself a problem solver? Do one better and be a solution finder and I won't be so dismissive of your thoughts. G'day
I don't understand why people weren't allowed to get off the plane and at least wait in the airport?
The bottom line is that airline travel is too cheap. Your options are to either spend a lot more per flight, or deal with stuff like this. The airlines have priced themselves into a corner. We complain about lousy service, grumpy flight attendants, $8 "lunch boxes", delayed flights, and cramped seats. But it's only a few hundred bucks to fly to Europe. Flying used to be a luxury of the affluent. Now, thanks to prices, we can all fly everywhere, all the time. Running an airline is very, very, VERY expensive. The overhead is unreal. If we want great, or even good service, beyond a cattle-style transport from Point A to Point B, we're going to have to pay for it. Just like we used it.
I think we all had a realyy hard time with the flights and delay but I think sometimes we need to slow down. We all make mistake and eveyone always wants to find a way to make excuses to get something or get out. This was due to weather not intentionally to disconfort us. I appreciate the apology and look forward to book flights with Jet Blue and other Airlines.
Stupid headline had nothing to do with the content! Author is worse than the airline!
This has happened to me twice! Once I was held prisoner on an airplane while they fixed the ENGINE for 6 1/2 hours before my 10 hour flight! The other time was only 3 or 4 hours and resulted in having to stay overnight in a different city overnight, I don't remember the problem. Regardless of the reason, people should have the right to get off an airplane after a certain amount of time (maybe a two hour delay) even if it means the customer has to buy another ticket! I understand the airlines have had financial problems historically and we don't want to bankrupt them (even though they should pay for the new ticket for customer service purposes or at least sell the new ticket at cost instead of for profit).
i would of got up and tried opening emergency door, who the heck cares take me to jail leasr im off the darn plane!
More whining. Face it, those passengers took Jet Blue flights because they are cheaper than most. You pay for cheap, you get cheap. This is just a fact of life. Now of course there will be lawsuits flying and people crying about this traumatic experience and everyone will be smelling money.
It is so simple. The ONE and ONLY way to get ANY bureaucracy to change any behavior is to COST IT MONEY. If you want General Motors or Exxon or the federal government to change any behavior cost it money any way you can. They will change like the BLOB fleeing the cold.
If you ever have the chance to fly Singapore Airlines you will get an idea of what real customer service is all about. Experience it for yourself, then try to keep your cool when you return to the U.S. carriers and their "you're just lucky to be on our aircraft" attitude!
More Airplanes should come crashing into the ground in flaming balls of fire with hair teeth and eyeballs akimbo.
im with you Bill wolf!!!!
To say that there isn't really a way to return back to the gate is retarded. If they had a line of planes (say 10 or 15) they could start by backing up the last plane, turn it around and let it go back to where it came from until they've worked their way through the entire line. Jet Blue dropped the ball on this one and they should be doing everything within their power to make it right. You know, statistics show that when you make a disgruntled customer happy, they are the most loyal of customers in the future. Jet Blue has an opportunity to shine here and they're not taking advantage of it. It's sad...
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First of all the author didn't say why they are getting worse in general... just restated what happend with JetBlue. As a result of higher fuel prices, the airlines have reduced routes, which has pushed capacity to over 90% per flight. More people getting on the plane takes more time to load two carry-ons and 2 jackets in the overhead. Conversely getting off the plane takes more time. Legislation limits airlines from working with ground crews. The industry never truely deregulated. True market forces, if allowed to exist in this industry, would demand better customer service. How many times have frequent flyers heard this one, "FAA regulation states"... blah blah blah. True deregulation would force the airlines into satisfying their customers or go out of business. Just my two cents.
It's very simple. All some inventive person has to do, is re-invent the hundred mile per gallon carburator, and stop flying, and start driving. The scenery is alot better on the ground than from in the air anyway.
I agree that the article really didn't say very much. I have actually taken work that doesn't require flying. But there's common sense, people. This storm didn't just happen (like so many summer thunderstorms do). Everyone who got on that plane knew there would be problems travelling. The ice and snow were already falling. Personally, if I have a flight on a day when the weather is going to be of this nature, I will call and incur the $ 200 change fee and re-schedule. No way would I knowingly get on a plane with weather that bad.
Lets get back to the real issue, its money. I have been traveling on airplanes for upwards of 35 years, and have seen both the ups and downs of "deregulation". It used to be when you wanted to go from Baltimore th Atlanta you had a choice of Delta and Eastern which would fly almost side by side and then Peidmont came in with a flight that took almost all day with 5 stops.And you felt really good if you were able to get the fare of only $600.00, the regular fare was anywhere from $800 to $1100.Now you are angry when you have to pay more than $400 on either Delta or Airtran. Every one made money and the airlines were very aware of customer relations. You want to go back to the good old days, be prepared to pay the price.
I think we all need to get real. This is 2007 and global warming has taken affect and there is nothing we can do about mother nature. There are going to be times that there will be major airline delays if you want to fly those are the chances that you are taking. Jet Blue screwed up but that does not mean they are a horrible airline, I think we just need to train our airline employees better for bad weather, that is it! It's not the end of the world!
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66 Posted by chantal_morand2003 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:21PM EDT Report Abuse
what would have been the responce if a plane attempted to take off and then crashed????