Much Ado About Nothing: Defamatory eBay Comments Can Be Hellacious

Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:54AM EDT

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The San Jose Mercury News is reporting on the long and sordid tale of Kiel Sturm, a guy who makes a hobby of buying and selling gems on eBay. But one buyer purchased a $2.33 piece of quartz, felt it wasn't authentic, and left a nasty note to that effect.

What followed were accusations and, of course, lawsuits. Sturm sued the buyer for defamation, and the case was settled. Both then wrote to eBay asking for the comment to be removed. Oddly, eBay refused.

Sturm then got a court order to the effect that the comment was legally defamatory and that it should be taken down. Again, eBay felt the court order wasn't written in the proper language, and refused.

Finally, Sturm sued eBay for defamation, but under the laws that protect ISPs for being liable for copyright infringement when, say, little Johnny posts the lyrics to a White Stripes song online, the courts ruled eBay wasn't responsible for defamation. Fortunately for Sturm, the issue was resolved a week later when he got the court order from lawsuit #2 written in the language that eBay requested.

I've done a lot of buying and selling on eBay over the years, and I've amassed two negative comments out of hundreds. Both times they were in error: One buyer gave me an incorrect address and never got his item (and apparently had no concept of how the U.S. Postal Service handled "no such address" packages). The other never paid for the item at all.

In both cases, eBay did nothing to remove negative feedback from my account. As an obsessive perfectionist, I can't tell you how much lost sleep this cost me.

Now I've learned to let go: Of all the companies on the internet, eBay is one of the most perplexing and arcane. The company makes rules that are impossible to comprehend, much less follow. Even finding instructions on how to deal with things like defamatory feedback is tedious and difficult. Like Sturm, I'd almost rather deal with the courts than with the eBay bureaucracy.

So what's the moral of the story? Unless you're willing to suffer through long (and expensive) litigation, let negative feedback roll off your shoulders. You can respond to it directly through the eBay system. Remember that a couple of negatives won't materially affect your sales or purchases. But the real lesson is something your mother probably taught you. Don't want to get dragged into this mess to begin with? If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

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  • 1 Posted by rawcw7 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:29PM EDT Report Abuse

    Christopher, Thank you for your eBay story. It seems eBay doesn't care enough about participants' honor. We bought a new-in-box laptop computer with a 3yr warranty in March 2006. When we went to upgrade the warranty through Dell were told it was deemed to be "lost" and of course had NO WARRANTY. As they had been reimbursed through UPS and UPS had "written it off", no one was seriously looking for it. The eBay seller (who sold many computers, etc.) when confronted, would not exchange it or refund our money. We went through a lengthy ordeal with Paypal (eBay's financial arm), the local police seizing the computer, etc. Fortunately VISA credited the transaction, eventually Paypal acknowledged we were right. However the seller continued despite our claims of his impropriety. Only after we left him negative feedback (whereupon he left us the same, calling us SCAMMER) did a significant change occur. Not only did he list future products "as is" with no warranty, he listed his selling record (feedback) as "PRIVATE" disallowing future buyers to check him out. Furthermore, he now includes (selected) positive feedback in the product descriptions. (Incidentally we subsequently bought a laptop through DELL and yesterday installed a replacement hard drive covered by the warranty). Kim Komando recently listed a website link that would enable an eBay participant to provide a more in depth personal description to presumably demonstrate their honesty. This seems a bit strange to us, but maybe there will be other efforts like this to improve eBay's faulty system. Again, thanks, and hopefully eBay will improve through reading "bad press". Roger & Catherine

  • 2 Posted by bzsponger on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:15PM EDT Report Abuse

    Unfortunately when things get heated like this, negative feedback results not only for the person who never lived up to their end but alsothe person who got the bad end of the deal. Ebay can only do so much though. Its is a giant empire now. www.targetwatcher.com

  • 3 Posted by noelixxx on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:40PM EDT Report Abuse

    I am experiencing similar situation. Someone left me negative with lies just to hurt my reputation, becausse she has stolen my template and photo and I reported her. Even though Ebay knows that she is a liar, that what she said cannot be true, they refuse to remove the feedback. The person live close to my home and I was thinking about taking her to court. Now I'm not sure.

  • 4 Posted by morrowmm on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:26PM EDT Report Abuse

    The Ebay feedback system has always been flawed. At first if a seller did not send the product and I left negative feedback, they did the same! Unfair, yes but I learnt that I look carefully at Seller feedback before purchasing. It is rare that sellers ship product before rec eiving payment so they have minimal risk. It is not so for the buyer. Well done Ebay. Whitlam at last has someone with an IQ higher than the software working at Ebay which is a first.

  • 5 Posted by morrowmm on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:26PM EDT Report Abuse

    The Ebay feedback system has always been flawed. At first if a seller did not send the product and I left negative feedback, they did the same! Unfair, yes but I learnt that I look carefully at Seller feedback before purchasing. It is rare that sellers ship product before rec eiving payment so they have minimal risk. It is not so for the buyer. Well done Ebay. Whitlam at last has someone with an IQ higher than the software working at Ebay which is a first.

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