Meetings Make You Stupid

Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:33PM EST

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Now there's some science behind what every cube dweller has known for years: Meetings are worthless and, in fact, are counterproductive.

A scientific study asked participants to think of as many brands of soft drinks as they could. When part of a group, the participants' final list was shorter than the lists from participants working aloneĀ  who were asked to do the same thing. This MSNBC story is light on details of the study, but you get the idea: Groupthink extends beyond the swaying of opinions toward a homogenized central viewpoint, even reaching into basic tasks like making lists of facts.

Naturally, this contradicts generations of research that say groups come up with better decisions than individuals. I remember my first day of business school, where our "organizational behavior" class was asked to individually rank a list of 15 items from most important to least important that we would find useful when stranded in a frozen wilderness. We then did the same task in groups of five. Compared to the "expert" list, groups had, on average, slightly better results... however I've always felt those results were flawed. (I deemed a bottle of whiskey much more important than the experts because I thought it might help in starting a fire, for example.)

But the bigger problem with the group results was that it didn't offer any outlet for those who had exceptional ideas: Several people in the class outscored the average by quite a bit, and their scores were brought down by the group project. As a business manager, you should ask yourself: Do you want to seek out these exceptional staff members? Or do you let everyone throw a bunch of random ideas into a pot and wait for something tolerable to rise to the top?

Of course, some meetings are necessary as a means of getting information out to a large number of people at once, but when it comes to brainstorming and creativity, you might be better off letting people work alone.

Feel free to email this to your boss right away.

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  • 26 Posted by ryu6664 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:57PM EDT Report Abuse

    I agree absolutely with the article. None of us is as dumb as all of us... People who are substandard or mediocre value the team concept because they need the exceptional people to lift them up. The exceptional people are busy solving problems, and are irritated by having to sit and reason with a bunch of morons.

  • 27 Posted by tdc1988ok on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:59PM EDT Report Abuse

    I totally agree with this article. In my experience, meetings often prevent much of the truly productive work from being done. Meetings tend to be a case of the most senior or outspoken person in the group convincing everyone that their bone head ideas are the best. "Rome didn't conquer the world by having meetings. They conquered the world by defeating those that oposed them."

  • 29 Posted by caterik2000 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:19PM EDT Report Abuse

    I couldn't agree with you more! I work better individually and I'm much more productive. Most meetings, in my opinion, are worthless or being held to give the management team an ego stroke. The worst meetings are those where you and the individuals in the room have totally different ideas/perceptions yet have to "brainstorm" together only to end up in a debate or deadlocked. Just like one of the other readers on here, I am taking online courses and chose my school partially because it does not require "team" activities like the University of Phoenix.

  • 30 Posted by tdanielkuhn on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:58PM EDT Report Abuse

    I couldn`t agree more. Having suffered through the 70s when Japanese management was all the rage, I find your article particularly warming.Group think is a hazard in almost any endeavor. For just one example , look to the Iraq War. Another, the North American auto industry. Meetings to spread information and report on decisions taken, are a good thing. But ideas come from an individual brain that is really focused on a problem, a way to improve something or invation that is entirely out of the box. After the idea has been concieved groups can improve on it. But it takes an individual to come up with the idea in the first place.

  • 31 Posted by bonachris18 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:11PM EDT Report Abuse

    Large group meetings did not work. Managers would speak and wait for input.The sales staff were all stratagizing in their heads as to what was best to offer up. Playing what the boss wanted to hear and what might actually work. When we would break up into smaller "team groups" much more productive ideas and goals were offered. Christine B

  • 32 Posted by pixelated101 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:13PM EDT Report Abuse

    i am a team player! but yes i've always found meetings to be useless and a waste of time. why talk about doing something when you can just start straight away and get it over with!!!!

  • 33 Posted by mypreacherman83 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:31PM EDT Report Abuse

    Teams made up of extraordinary individuals tend to generate superior results. But when the extraordinary individual is part of a mediocre team, often resentment or simple inability to understand leads to the insight of the gifted being ignored or dismissed. I've had both kinds of experiences. It is also important to have meetings with others when decisions will be made that affect them significantly. People are much more willing to work together toward a goal when they feel they have been listened to. In many cases, how we make a decision is as important as what decision we make.

  • 34 Posted by dogfish6 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:46PM EDT Report Abuse

    Amen brothers and sisters! I personally hate "meetings" and find them very counterproductive to any creative thinking. Most of time they seem to be a forum for a few people to listen to themselves talk and throw out the latest trendy business jargon. However, I do agree that small group meetings among a handful of individuals and designed/called with very specific purposes and ONLY after charging the individuals with a specific task, can and do work. The key too is to make the meetings brief. Anything over 30 minutes is ridiculous.

  • 35 Posted by vinay_kr_singh1 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:35PM EDT Report Abuse

    great to know this! meetings are good for routine clerical tasks. for really path breaking work they are meaningless. no wonder great minds work lonely! you need to be far from the noise and chaos of a meeting to be able to think!

  • 36 Posted by plslvmn on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:14PM EDT Report Abuse

    That's very funny, about meetings. I am group-avoidant.

  • 37 Posted by fshball3 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:04PM EDT Report Abuse

    This just futher proves the fact that nobody knows "how" to run meetings...If the agenda is sound (Actual need for meeting), and given out prior to the meeting with enough time for staff to evaluate and research the information, you will in fact come up with MORE and BETTER ideas at a group meeting. You also will need a group to delegate the tasks if you want production to be at optimal levels. Again, the problems is not whether to have a meeting, but whether or not those holding the meeting know what they are doing! Greta meetings equal great work! Poor meeting equals poor performance.

  • 38 Posted by hbachelder56 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:17PM EDT Report Abuse

    The problems with teams is that you always have one person who is essentially the class clown. It is a waste of precious time to sit and watch the meeting go awry due to this person. I say skip the meetings unless absolutely necessary because you are better off getting things done yourself!!

  • 39 Posted by spidey300 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:36PM EDT Report Abuse

    bgdadyjnz2000 is right on the money. Meetings without a clear agenda and lack of preparation on the part of participants will lead to an extremely counterproductive and negative experience.

  • 40 Posted by simpledevotedtrue on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:23PM EDT Report Abuse

    There's teamwork that is productive and teamwork that is promoted merely because those involved wouldn't know an original idea if it bit them on the rear! With a team approach though, the team leader can take credit in the "Royal We" sense while others give actual ideas and solutions. The sad thing is that often the people giving the creative ideas also must STILL do their job while the "team player" leaders make a career out of promoting how well we all get along and never actually accomplish anything.

  • 41 Posted by cprivateer on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:30PM EDT Report Abuse

    My company has meetings to discuss when and where the next meeting will be. I find them very counterproductive bordering on complete failure. Nothing quite like filling out an excel spreadsheet explaining why your numbers are off......jeez maybe because we are in meetings weekly and not in front of the customers??

  • 42 Posted by lunatik96 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:00PM EDT Report Abuse

    When the peers of a group all have similar job responsibilities, they all tend to think similarly and consequently produce little that is new. But when a group is diverse, such as say engineering and marketing, the wide difference allows more possibilities. The advantage of group think is having a diverse group of people with diverse backgrounds and responsibilities. If an engineer says he can make a widget that does something cool, but doesn't see how that can benefit mankind (or the companies bottom line), a product manager can say you know we have a device that if we added that feature to, we could RULE the world! ah hahahaha. you get the idea.

  • 43 Posted by arkprof on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:57PM EDT Report Abuse

    I like those meetings in which we're asked to participate because we're "part of the family" or, worse, our ideas "truly matter" to upper management. Sadly, all of us know that our energies will once again be wasted, as decisions are born at the top regardless of input from below. There is so much to say about the broader subject, but it all seems so totally pointless.

  • 44 Posted by patywhack62@verizon.net on Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:01PM EST Report Abuse

    yepper..for me its watching people with the loudest voice having their ideas heard..whereas a introvert or quiet.. thinker may not..

  • 45 Posted by dw_artman on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:50PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have to agree with the groupthink philosophy being worse than individual thought. I am graduating from University of Phoenix in May and I have experienced much of the dumbness from teams that weren't effective enough as individuals thinking for themselves. Some of the teams I had were just dead weight and I came up with the ideas for our project to move forward. Some of the ideas were obvious but I knew none of the others were going to move forward on their own. It sounds like a totalitarian approach but I wasn't going to waste time with a few yahoos who were too lazy to think for themselves. On the other hand, I have also worked with a number of team members repeatedly in the same classes who got a feel for each other and we seldom had to worry about groupthink at all. We simply knew what to do, how to do it, and especially who was going to do it. These teams I definitely liked and we got better results from our project. So I believe much of the groupthink wastefulness comes from the objective to be achieved and how much individual thought is contributed to that objective. Without the individual thought(critical thinking), we become like a bunch of lemmings going over a cliff.

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