Meetings Make You Stupid

Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:33PM EST

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Now there's some science behind what every cube dweller has known for years: Meetings are worthless and, in fact, are counterproductive.

A scientific study asked participants to think of as many brands of soft drinks as they could. When part of a group, the participants' final list was shorter than the lists from participants working aloneĀ  who were asked to do the same thing. This MSNBC story is light on details of the study, but you get the idea: Groupthink extends beyond the swaying of opinions toward a homogenized central viewpoint, even reaching into basic tasks like making lists of facts.

Naturally, this contradicts generations of research that say groups come up with better decisions than individuals. I remember my first day of business school, where our "organizational behavior" class was asked to individually rank a list of 15 items from most important to least important that we would find useful when stranded in a frozen wilderness. We then did the same task in groups of five. Compared to the "expert" list, groups had, on average, slightly better results... however I've always felt those results were flawed. (I deemed a bottle of whiskey much more important than the experts because I thought it might help in starting a fire, for example.)

But the bigger problem with the group results was that it didn't offer any outlet for those who had exceptional ideas: Several people in the class outscored the average by quite a bit, and their scores were brought down by the group project. As a business manager, you should ask yourself: Do you want to seek out these exceptional staff members? Or do you let everyone throw a bunch of random ideas into a pot and wait for something tolerable to rise to the top?

Of course, some meetings are necessary as a means of getting information out to a large number of people at once, but when it comes to brainstorming and creativity, you might be better off letting people work alone.

Feel free to email this to your boss right away.

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  • 66 Posted by feralpigeon on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:59PM EDT Report Abuse

    There is, of course, bosses who think they are more creative and smarter than the group when they actually are not. When these bosses have just enough support for their plans, or rather, when they have silenced any resistance with heavy handed techniques, they put their plans into action. Consider the Russian Revolution. Lenin believed that the proletariat didn't know what was good for them or how to get it.

  • 67 Posted by psnova on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:20PM EDT Report Abuse

    I am a lone wolf: 50 tears old, a general surgeon and independent thinker. As I age, however, I see that the survivability of human kind depends and has depended on team work. If it's not being done right, then you smart young kids need to change it. But humans are wired to do everything in combination with other humans.

  • 68 Posted by greenidjzzzzzlvr on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:12PM EDT Report Abuse

    Call me old school but....if brainstorming techniques are utilized properly they can trigger greater productivity as a group. As a former trainer in a medical device facility I have seen the advantages of group thinking when it stimulates competition and building of ideas from core stategy. As a true believer in the Dr. Edwards Demming techniques which by the way paved the way for Japan to be an industrialized nation I would pair a well-versed-in-brainstorming group against an individual anyday! It is also a great way to weed out the nonproductive because they become very evident. I also believe that managers get out of a meeting what they expect. If you don't hold up to higher standards, no one under you will either.

  • 69 Posted by amaburt on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:51PM EDT Report Abuse

    Amen..meetings justify more managers and more meetings..I was always accused of "not buying in" and guess what? I was the most productive of the 270+ people in my dept, and the one who got things done! ps--I quit finally & have never worked corporately again...

  • 70 Posted by vdare76 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:32PM EDT Report Abuse

    Meetings are here to stay. They are so ingrained into the culture that the mere fact a meeting was held is considered a success. Not all companies or groups need to have meetings and yet they do. It many cases, this is just a ritual to help validate something: a policy, a manager, the company. Rachel www.theflipflopgirl.com

  • 71 Posted by primaryprez on Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:07PM EST Report Abuse

    The problem is that no one has ever taught people to think in groups so they do individualized thinking in a group setting which is inefficient and counter-productive. We provide tools to companies which make meetings productive as well as give individuals techniques to use to get them outside their "normal" thinking patterns. Thinking is the most valuable asset of any organization yet management spends no time or money to improve how their employees think....very frustrating.

  • 72 Posted by colours_of_passion on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:28PM EDT Report Abuse

    Hello everyone ! I from Lahore, Pakistan. Infact, I appreciate everyone's ideas where they feel that "Meetings Mess Up" or "Group thinking messes up". It surely does since mind works in a better situation when a person is alone. I hope everyone would agree to me that if you are sitting in the wash room or sitting alone, you would get wonderfull ideas in your head. Imagine a group of people sitting in the wash room and thinking (lolz). I am sure that no one would be able to even ----- (lolz). This strange and wierd example if you think, it would surely work that "Group thinking" leads to less then average results. However, sometimes certainly you need group of colletive suggestions, but that only depends upon the situation where you are just discussing things and letting individual minds to work in a flow rather then telling different people mind or putting pressure on them TO THINK.

  • 73 Posted by jgprince on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:34PM EDT Report Abuse

    There are several variables that I'm sure if the article were longer could be discussed. The quality of the group is based on the quality of the individuals...how do each of them work in a group. I have seen some truly great discussions from a group, but if there is one rotten egg and they happen to be a dominant personality then the group is doomed to failure and misery sets in on those forced to be involved. However if the dominant personalities show a genuine and authentic interest in the opinions of everyone in the room, then we find open creativity which has a tendency to finding some really great solutions. Bottom line the group thing is not a failed concept, but rather a misunderstood practice. Insecure leadership hurts group dynamics. The other negative to meetings are the 'Presenter' meetings...every year my company holds 'Sales' meetings where every department shares what they have done this year and what they are planning to do the next. Although some valuable information is provided, I swear I don't recall a thing about the meetings 24 hours later, let alone the next time I'm in front of a client. In holding group meetings, there is a need for some type of energy, it's not about cramming a ton of data in the shortest amount of time possible, which sometimes can be several hours in a row over a couple of days. With that in mind the individual thing can also get carried away...after all, I can get a ton done quickly and have some idle down time...how much time are individuals waisting on-line with non-business activity? The key is to find a balance between individual and group and to be flexible to change. Be self confident about what we bring individually to the table and use what we know and who we are to better ourselves and our organizations. Our organization will either be better for it, or we will end up in a new one either by choice or not. Back to the group...there is an art to Brainstorming...the key is to make a list and NOT talk about anything on the list until the list is complete. Don't judge a single idea until all ideas are on the table...too often we criticize or approve of the first thing suggested, when ofter times the best option is much later in the brainstorming phase of a group discussion. Also, never attack anyone personally as their idea could spark a thought in someone else...run with it, have fun with it. Work is serious enough, we need to learn to have fun with out time, on and off the job.

  • 74 Posted by dubyutk on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:49PM EDT Report Abuse

    This is true no matter the field. The Senate Iraq intelligence review a couple of years ago pinpointed group-think as the major problem. The CIA figured WMD had to be there because Britain figured it, but Britain figured it because France figured it too, and France thought it because the US did. Group Thought inevitably falls into the trap of circular logic.

  • 75 Posted by feralpigeon on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:59PM EDT Report Abuse

    I think President Bush is the kind of leader who believes he is smarter and more creative than the people who elected him and certainly the people who voted against him. If you ask him he will tell you "I am more better!"

  • 76 Posted by swfks on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:52PM EDT Report Abuse

    Meetings, thier scheualing and time commitment were killing my ability to get my basic work done. In fact, when I complained about too many meetings I was instructed to get a meeting together to discuss how to reduce the number of meetings!! Crazy. What ever happened to the good ol days when your boss said.. here is a problem and it's in your depatment so you fix it and I'll know your being successful when improved productivity is seen? Shouldn't those who are "in charge" be valued for automomy?

  • 77 Posted by nathaliescabers on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:34PM EDT Report Abuse

    meetings are ok to exchange information that then should be "digested" individually. Here at work meeting has become "fashion", but most of us consider it mostly a waste of time. What I see is that a lot of people do not dare to come out for their opinion in a group an that is how sometimes bright ideas are lost and we have to bear with the ----- only

  • 78 Posted by mrp032754 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:28PM EDT Report Abuse

    The Only Meetings that are of any use at all are the ones that are cancelled. I am SO SICK of meeting being called by ego centric prima donnas that thrive at being the center of attention and generate self esteem by the number of "attendees" that they can invite to watch him/her talk in circles about subjects that they don't understand and nobody cares about.

  • 79 Posted by susyq62 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:50PM EDT Report Abuse

    This is why I no longer work for corp. America. In my business I have a meeting every day with myself. I decide what needs to be done, how/when it's going to get done, and then I go and do it! Life has less financial perks, but so much more happiness.

  • 80 Posted by noodleswiu on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:40PM EDT Report Abuse

    I just think its hilarous how I had a boring meeting first thing this morning for a couple hours before even setting up my laptop to check my mail, and as soon as I get out of it and open up my Internet Explorer browser, this article is the first thing I see! Meetings can be good, but unless a person absolutely needs to be their, let them do their work, instead of twiddling their thumbs and complaining in their own minds of how another morning/day has now just been wasted. Have someone catch them up to speed on the important things if need be from a member who was in the meeting. It'll probably take 5 minutes if that.

  • 81 Posted by shannonsaunt on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:16PM EDT Report Abuse

    Isn't this just a rehash of James M. Buchan's 1986 Nobel-prize winning findings?

  • 82 Posted by tom_mueller@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:16PM EDT Report Abuse

    Once I was in a group of about 150 and we were given 30 seconds or so to come up with uses for a paperclip. Then the leader asked us to raise our hand if we had more than a certain number. He kept raising the number until only one person had a hand up. The number of uses that person had thought of was duly noted. Then the leader asked each person in the front row to read out their uses. In a very short time, after asking perhaps 20 people, he had a list of uses for the paperclip that was far longer than the one generated by the top participant alone. Draw your own conclusion.

  • 83 Posted by mikjoe1 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:20PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have found that often, these meetings are not about the group's thoughts at all. Rather, they are forums for a boss who already has a solution with which they've fallen in love - and they want to sell you their idea, under the guise of "brainstorming."

  • 84 Posted by briansworld2000 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:13PM EDT Report Abuse

    Small groups (2-4) of exceptional thinkers generate the best results if you're looking for creative solutions.

  • 85 Posted by scotthunz on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:08PM EDT Report Abuse

    Teams find the middle ground - maybe not the best solution, but also rarely the worst. Working individually, there will be those that are head and shoulders above the rest and those that are near the bottom. If the soft drink test is done enough, the group score is probably about the mid-point of what individuals would come up with on their own. The big question is what is the best use of time for the specific project - sometimes it is team oriented and sometimes better suited to individual work.

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