Why Apple Won't Recall Your Bum PowerBook

Sun May 13, 2007 11:16PM EDT

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Lately I've been hearing about a problem on certain PowerBooks. Specifically, a problem that causes vertical lines on the LCD panel, on model number M9689 of the 17-inch G4 PowerBook running at 1.67GHz. According to this website, 171 people so far are demonstrating this problem. Certainly there are more.

The outcry isn't over the problem, per se, but that a) Apple hasn't recalled the affected computers and b) that Apple is censoring comments on its official website regarding this issue.

The second problem is pretty awful. The first, I'm sad to tell you, is par for the course.

Technology users are often quick to call for a product recall any time there's a problem with their device. It's hard to blame them: One of these PowerBooks may have cost $3,000 when it was purchased. You're right to expect it to work properly.

But should Apple recall every product of this model number and replace the screen, just in case? That's not the way things work, I'm afraid, and I'm hard-pressed to name any company that's ever recalled a product in this manner.

Why? Product recalls are serious business that cost serious money. They are—almost without exception—limited to problems that could result in the death or serious injury of the user. In fact, the only computer recalls I know of relate to laptop batteries. Last year's recalls are the most recent example.

Will a company recall everyone's laptop because a few hundred people have vertical lines running down the screen? To even suggest such a thing reflects a gross naiveté with how business is done. If Apple sold just 10,000 of these computers, a recall would probably cost it somewhere in the realm of $5 million to repair. Those are pretty wild guesses, but the actual figures are probably much higher. Recalls are also reserved (and rightly so) for issues of real social significance. Stuff like kid's pajamas bursting aflame. The fact that a few lines are running through your GarageBand session don't quite cut the mustard.

What should Apple do? Fix any computer that has this problem for free, of course, even if they're past the one-year warranty. (Extending support for this specific problem another 12 or 18 months makes good sense to me.) And of course, stop censoring forums explicitly designed to let people talk about their computer problems. But should Apple launch a full recall? Um... no.

Still, I'm happy to draw awareness to this issue, especially if you're a Mac owner who thought you were alone with such a problem. Getting together with others definitely helps to push Apple into doing the right thing and getting the problem fixed. Feel free to vent in the comments section below if you've got the "pixel lines issue" on your PowerBook.

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  • 6 Posted by coloisla on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:28PM EDT Report Abuse

    Well, #1 poster I see I don't have to comment about you mean, small, little shot at Sr. Null. Why don't you channel your petty little crap somewhere else?

  • 7 Posted by dehnger2u on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:40PM EDT Report Abuse

    Go MAC yourself 1st poster. Thanks again Chris.

  • 8 Posted by hkpn on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:19PM EDT Report Abuse

    Dell has the same type of defects on lap top computers made at about the same time - possibly delivered by the same factdory in Schanhai, China, as for Apple. Dell has, however, taken their responsibility and are replacing the faulty displays free of charge as any decent supplier should. Apple not. They neglect to recognize the problem and erase threads where the problem is being discussed. That is a safe way of loosing high-end customers for and rapidly earning a reputation for being an immoralic company - option scandals adding to that impression. KRISTER PETTERSSON - SWEDEN

  • 9 Posted by aprkareckas on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:57PM EDT Report Abuse

    You all miss the point, the article was based on supposition not fact. The cost of recalls and everything else is not based on anything accurate. He supposes the cost of repair is $500 and comes up with the $5million figure but it is still based on something made up. I could say it is a million miles to the moon and wether I'm right or wrong it is still a long way to the moon and I've still given you bum information. How can you judge the cost or worth of a recall when you don't know what the real cost is Apple. Are they saying the heck with you over $1 or $1000? Does the cost justify their actions? The figures you were fgiven in the article are meaningless since they are not based on facts and so the conclusions are not based on facts. If you choose to accept position based on supposition that is of course your right. While the import of this issue is not the same remember what happened when we assumed Iraq

  • 10 Posted by hkpn on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:19PM EDT Report Abuse

    APPLES QUALITY PROBLEMS Writing this on my 17” Apple PowerBook G4 – the Rolls-Royce among laptops – a yellow, vertical line flickers on the display. It is line number 27 establishing. Lines of different colors, magenta, green, blue etc. with a width of one pixel and a flickering zone of some two inches width, half translucent, have previously occupied the display. This has taken place during a couple of months, starting when the machine was about 15 months old. Three vertical lines within the mentioned zone change their color in pace with the flickering of the zone. These many display phenomena make showing of pictures, films and presentations impossible on this, the most expensive flag-ship of laptop computers from Apple. The company boasting itself of making better products than others. The defects thus started to show some time after the end of the guarantee period. A letter to Apple Computer in Sweden with all data, picture of the defects etc. resulted, after some time, in a phone call and an e-mail from Apple, Ireland: ”I have got an answer from Apple Engineering. The defect you have, is nothing we can cover under guarantee or with a guarantee exception. The defect derives with high probability from the so called LVDS-cable from the logic board to the display. But that defect is not known on your type of machine.” Not known? Strange. Googling the Internet it turns out that exactly this defect is being discussed on quite a number of web-sites. On one such web-site, machine data and pictures are being collected for documentation of the cases, to-day about 200 of them. Most defects are related to 17” PowerBook-machines with serial numbers starting with W85 produced at a factory in Shanghai, China, the first half of year 2005 – just as mine. And some ”threads” of discussions - on the Apple’s own web-site discussing the defects, had been erased by Apple itself. Before one such thread was erased, I had time to read about a case, where a defect display had been changed for a new one, which immediately showed its first vertical line. So – that this type of defect should be unknown to Apple is just not true. Looking at the Internet for Apple-defects, you discover many other quality issues with Apple-products. The re-call of dangerous batteries some time ago is known. And displays with white spots are being exchanged by the company. But everything else – for example the cases with key-boards melting from overheated machines, nearly causing fires, make you wonder about the level of risks with Apple-machines. Risks do not appear to be negligible, neither for the good function of your machine nor for your health. I told a colleague, also with a 17” PowerBook, about my screen defects and heard him saying that his machine had lost contact with the hard-drive. Judging from other Internet-cases not the only one. Other, minor defects, have also shown up early on my Rolls-Royce machine from Apple. For example that the net adapter cable must

  • 11 Posted by hkpn on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:19PM EDT Report Abuse

    (continued) Other, minor defects, have also shown up early on my Rolls-Royce machine from Apple. For example that the net adapter cable must be turned to a certain position in order to start charging, or that the lock between lid and computer has stopped functioning long ago. So, no wonder if I and many other Apple-customers with supposed ”top of the line” machines now on the Internet are witnessing the quality defects discovered and our great disappointment: does Apple nowadays sell ----- products “made in China”? The disappointment over the Apple-nonchalance we have encountered is multiplied when Dell announces that they are exchanging displays with the same defects produced at the same time as the Apple display – perhaps from the same sub-supplier? (See http://www.dellverticalline.com/) Well, should one invest in a repair/exchange of the 17” screen of an expensive Apple-machine with doubtful quality? Contacting the local Apple service I was informed that you cannot only change the LVDS-cable, as it is fixed to the display. Further that the cost for cable plus display is about 800 USD. Now, that is only 1/4 of what this, the most expensive and most prestige-full Apple laptop had cost 15 months earlier. But for only one or two hundred dollars more you get a 17” PC/VISTA laptop with as good or better prestanda and capacity. Surely Apple may still be leading the software development over MS and Linux, but if the Apple OS-X and a few Apple-exclusive programs only can run on machines from one single supplier which delivers products with a doubtful quality, and if this supplier does not take their responsibility for defect products, well then Apple has ceased being an alternative in any sense. KRISTER PETTERSSON M.Sc, consulting engineer, long time user of Apple and PC-machines.

  • 12 Posted by crkrebsie on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:31PM EDT Report Abuse

    I own one of these faulty powerbooks and to date I have over 20 vertical lines. As this problem is a manufacturing default Apple should take responsibility for this issue and fix the faulty LCD's for free. To see that Apple is deleting the discussion forums on their site is an attempt to cover-up this problem. This is very alarming as this site is used for making decisions on purchasing mac products and now is obviously not a good place to go to review which products to buy. Thank you for writing about this problem.

  • 13 Posted by forma65 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:01PM EDT Report Abuse

    Hello - I believe others share or will share my plight. The lines on my Powerbook began December 2006. It started with just a few lines and multiplied over the months. My laptop screen is now unreadable in August 2007. I have hooked up a Dell monitor. And my laptop is no longer a "laptop." So, the author of article has a content correction - this is just not a minor inconvenience of a few lines running through the screen. This issue renders the laptop unusable for it's initial design & intention. Sad and disappointing to have made this investment. The decision was based on past performance -- I have 2 Mac powerbooks from the early 1990's that still run - no issues - other than not being current technology.

  • 14 Posted by tatty_squawk on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:57PM EDT Report Abuse

    I don't blame them for not recalling the powerbooks, I do think it's outrageous that they won't fix the fault. Even DELL have managed to fix their screens for free! It's now end of August 2007 and I have been fobbed off (again) by Apple's "Service" dept. I can't afford to pay to have this fixed and quite frankly, selling a product with a just 2 year lifecycle for £2,000 is shocking and must surely be an infringement of some consumer agreement.

  • 15 Posted by hearts_attacks on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:17PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have the same lcd display problem on my Powerbook G4 17" (serial number starting with W85, manufactured in Shangai in april 2005)... I have 16 vertical lines as of today. The first line appeared in may 2007, 24 months after purchase. The cost of my laptop was over 4000$ (canadien dollars). I just stared a french blog on that subject : http://appledontcare.blogspot.com/ We need to spread the web with this information, this comportment is totally unresponsible from a company like Apple.

  • 16 Posted by anubis_brh on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:56PM EDT Report Abuse

    I too have this problem and it occurred post-warranty. I am afraid to find out what the cost will be to fix it.

  • 17 Posted by jazz3o on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:30PM EDT Report Abuse

    Seems there is no explanation from Apple on this problem. That's not what you expect from a quality manufacterer . It seems strange to me that there is no real explanation from Apple on this apparently frequent problem. So I would appreciate to have any help from Apple to solve the problem (and not telling me I have to replace the display and pay +/- 1000 euros) on this type of computer where it seems that I am not the only user to have vertical lines (disfunction) on the screen. I found following text on : : appledontcare.blogspot.com concerning warranty I found it interesting to mention it as Apple's only explanation for this issue is that my machine is out of warranty. Un bien fabriqué ou produit acheté doit, pour être conforme, être propre à l'usage habituellement attendu d'un bien semblable et doit, le cas échéant : • correspondre à la description donnée par le vendeur et posséder les qualités que celui-ci a présenté sous forme d'échantillon ou de modèle, • présenter les qualités qu'un acheteur peut légitimement attendre conformément aux déclarations publiques faites par le vendeur, par le producteur ou par son représentant, notamment dans la publicité ou l'étiquetage,

  • 18 Posted by sherrycabral on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:19PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have the same lcd display problem on my Powerbook G4 17" (serial number starting with W85, manufactured in Shangai in april 2005). I have a 1.5" wide vertical white stripe on the left side of my screen as of today. There may have been some supposition as to recall numbers in this article, but the $4,000 I regretfully paid Apple for my PowerBook 17" laptop (with plenty of RAM) is certainly no supposition. It's a fact...and one that Apple seems to think we might risk repeating?

  • 19 Posted by tonyaliperti on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:16PM EDT Report Abuse

    Apple should extend the warranty for all PB 17" with the beginning serial W85 purchased 2005. Everyone should call Apple and get a case number and log a formal complaint. Call or email anyone in the Media with this story. Tech Giant Apple sends much needed Tech jobs to China only to be rewarded with an manufacturing defect that screws their customer base in the name of GREED!

  • 20 Posted by tonyaliperti on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:16PM EDT Report Abuse

    My suggestion to Apple would be to offer to repair the LCD screens at cost plus postage if applicable. This way the damage would be shared by customer and company considering most of these vertical line problems start with a serial number W85 and some G4's are 2 to 4yrs old. I am sure the screens at cost to Apple are pretty cheap so passing a reasonable cost to customers rather than screwing us would make most of us happy.

  • 21 Posted by madamebisou on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:02PM EDT Report Abuse

    As I was posting my comment a new line appeared. I now have 9 and counting.

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