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Reader Chris writes: I'm in the market for an LCD TV. Is it worthwhile to purchase a 1080p set over a 720p TV? HD broadcasts are only 1080i and I only have a progressive scan dvd player (waiting to see which high-definition DVD format wins).
This is a confusing issue that is stymieing many current TV buyers: Future content will be heavily delivered in 1080p format, but virtually nothing you have today is, especially if you don't have a high-definition DVD player. Should you "future-proof" by buying a 1080p set now or will you be fine with a 720p/1080i set?
The first question you should ask is how soon you expect to make the jump to 1080p content. In a year? In three years? The longer you wait, the more appropriate a 720p set will be today and the less sense it makes to buy a 1080p set. Rest assured, without a 1080p signal going into it, you'll see no difference in quality on a 720p vs. a 1080p set. If you think you'll go high-def in the next 12 months, though, it makes more sense to consider 1080p now.
Another issue is overall quality, even if you do go with 1080p. Very few TV viewers can tell the difference between a 720p, a 1080i, and a 1080p signal. While you'll see more differences between 720p and 1080p on a paused picture, virtually all TV watching is done with moving images, where ultrafine detail often goes unnoticed. You might try this for yourself at a TV showroom. See if you can tell the difference between a 720p and 1080p image side by side when standing 12 feet away from the set. If you're getting a smaller TV, you may never be able to notice any difference at all if you sit at a standard viewing distance. Your eyes simply won't be able to see the detail. (Use this calculator to help determine whether going to 1080 will make any difference depending on how big a set you're buying.)
Last but not least, there's price. As you know, TV prices are all over the map, but going from a 720p to a 1080p set will add substantially to the cost of your set. I did some spot-checking on 720p vs. 1080p sets from the same manufacturer, of the same size, and from the same retailer, and found that 1080p adds about 50 percent to the cost of the TV. Deals and features, of course, vary widely, but that was pretty consistent in my examinations. For a 45-inch TV, that could mean a $1000 price difference... all for something you might not be able to notice at all. That's worth thinking about.
Finally, there's the issue that 1080p is probably not the end of the line for video resolution. Already people are talking about 2160p, "super high-definition," "ultra HD," and other next-gen formats. It's really an inevitability that one or more of them will someday come to pass. 1080p could eventually look like junk in comparison to them... provided, of course, you're sitting 3 inches from the screen.
I know there's a lot of conflicting advice here, so I want to leave you with a bottom line: Choose the size set that will work in your home and has the connectors you need, then buy the best TV (the one that looks best to you) you can afford now, whether it's 1080p or not. Being happy with the picture you see is a lot more important than whether it has some mysterious specs under the hood which don't really mean anything in the end.
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The 'apparent size' of the TV image varies with the SQUARE OF THE DISTANCE. Thus the closer the TV screen is to the EYE OF THE VIEWER, the larger the apparent size. My 32" TV which is also a VGA outlet for the Laptop, is located exactly 15" from my eyes, and is thus equal to a 12' X 8' SCREEN, located on the WALL 8 feet back of my screen. This was 'discovered by Bruneschelli, in Florence, around 1550 ...but has been ignored by most TV USER/VENDORS, for last 45 years.. keithkings@rogers.com
"10800p is so much better than 720p. You can tell the difference in even a 32" TV. The person who wrote this article has no idea what they are talking about. The ultrafine detail can be seen from a distance. For a 40" set, I would reccomend between 7' and 11'. This article needs to be rewritten with better, more comprehensive research completed beforehand in order to prevent another almost completely worthless article like this one." richardpa2000 My friend owns an upscale AV shop. He has a 50" Marantz 720P Plasma ($5,500.00) on the wall next to a 50" Pioneer 1080P Plasma ($8,000.00). The source to each is an HD-DVD signal - "Phantom of the Opera" and "Planet Earth" He has not had a single customer who could tell which plasma is 720P and which is 1080P at 8 feet or even 6 feet. The human eye does not have the ability to resolve the difference at that distance, I'm afraid that you have bought the marketing hype and fooled yourself.
You people who think 1080p is so much better than 720p are nothing but morons who fall victim to hype and marketing schemes, the economy and marketeers love you for it though. They say this is the latest and greatest best thing going and you won't be able to live without it and you swallow it hook...line...and sinker. That is your right however.
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I install satelite tv for a living and see a ton of tvs. Unless you buy a junk tv, there is no way you can tell a difference between the two. The biggest difference you get is between cable tv and satelite. Any satelite signal from any provider should be a lot better then cable tv provided it is installed correctly. I've seen hundreds of tvs and can seldom tell the difference between 720 and 1080
I have a Olevia 37" 720p which consumers report labeled as "best buy" and I am very content. The biggest thing that I have noticed is the resolution that the signal is broadcast in. It deosn't matter if you have the ability to watch 1080p, the TV set will not look up to it's potential if the station is not broadcasting it. Basketball looks great on my set and I can't wait for football season. The type of wiring is also important. Alot of the signal is lost in that aspect.
I work for Directv and hook these TV's up on a daily basis. I have a 50" Samsung DLP 720p tv. I've gone to one of my customers house that has the same model tv but 1080p. The HD picture quality of my tv blows his away. My personal opinion is go with the 720p tv now unless you plan on buying an HDDVD player or Blu-ray player. By the time everything is in 1080p format a better TV will be on the market and you may as well save your money for that. Also keep in mind when buying a TV, bigger is not always better. Unless your room is big enough for a 60 incher or bigger.
1080p is not worth it right now since there are really only 2 devices a consumer can buy to get this output, and both are for DVD playback (Unless this is actually broadcasted in your area, you should check with your cable/satellite provider). When you are checking out televisions it is noticable which ones are 1080p even if they are both playing the 1080i signal. The 1080p televisions seem to be clearer overall but then this may also depend on the brands of tvs and what tye of screen they are using. The main thing to consider is HD programming (HD is short for High Definition). If you plan on using regular cable on an LCD then your picture will look pretty bad and you will be disappointed. This is true for any brand LCD. If you have digital cable then thats atleast a step up, but HD programming is what you will need for that sharp picture you see in the stores no matter if you get a 1080i or 1080p LCD. It is possible to stick with regular cable and then use an HD antenna to pick up your local channels in HD, but you can only do this if your television has the built in HD tuner. Keep in mind that your local channels are not HD all the time, they mostly switch to HD for news, sporting events, and popular television shows. When they do play HD it is only a 1080i signal. The reason you are probably shopping for a television is because of the "swtich" thats going to happen in February of 2009. Whats happening is your analog signal will be no more and the new signal will be digital. This does NOT mean that when this happens every show will be HD. HD is a digital signal, but being digital does NOT make something HD. If you are concerned about this and feel like you are being forced into buying an HDTV then you can relax because regular tube televisions offer the ATSC/NTSC digital tuners and you can get these televisions for a fraction of the cost of an LCD. But if what you really want is an LCD, then go for it and I hope you enjoy your new television.
I own a 42inch big screen and for some reason it doesn't matter what I'm watching on it. If a movie is bad I don't say wow that wasn't a good movie, but if it were really sharp it would have been an excellent movie. Get the biggest tv you can get for your money as long as it's HDTV. NE Furn. Mart had a 51 inch Hitachi HDTV projector tvs for $599. I would have bought one, but I couldn't justify it, but I wanted it!
I have a sony 60" rear projection with 1080p. when I watch blu ray movies on my PS3, there is a huge difference. The picture is so clear I can see pores on the actors faces and the action sequences seem to be smoother. I have been told that my tv looks better than plasma screens with 720p when I have the blu ray on. But, I would only reccommend a 1080p tv if you decide to get a tv larger than a 42".
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Which HDTV (LCD or Plasma) (720p, 1080p, 1080i) which is PC Compatible provides the best picture when used a computer monitor and as a HDTV?
A lot of people think they are experts on HD just from reading a few articles or consumer reports, which is ridiculous. First, it is true that the difference between the 720p, 1080i, and 1080p is very small if there is any. The only true 1080p source is from HD DVD or BluRay. However the one thing that the author has not mentioned, as well as all the "self-proclaimed experts" on this message board, is that you can't compare only the resolution in HDTVs. Many times if you compare two sets, one 720p and one 1080p, the 1080p is better. Not because of the 1080p necessarily, but because the 1080p has other factors that make it look better, such as contrast, processor, colors, black levels, etc...I highly suggest doing your homework on all sets 720p or 1080p, going to multiple stores and deciding for yourself which set looks best to you, then talk about price, you'd be surprised how much you can talk down some stores on prices, especially if you get another store to price match, typically they will lower it 10% after the match to get your business. Also the author is wrong, 1080p is not 50% more (although sometimes it can be). I work with HDTVs and in some models you can pay as little as $300 more for 1080p. One last thing, I compared two 1080p with a customer side by side and we could see a difference in the people's skin tone, as well as the definition and clarity in the shadows and black levels.
All this talk about 1080p but what about 1080i? What is the difference and is it worth the difference in cost between 720p and 1080i?
You have to consider that not only do 1080p panels have more resolution, they are BETTER panels. They have improved viewing angles, brightness, contrast and, in the case of LCD, better response times because the technology has improved. Manufactures are not improving 720p panels, they are putting the newer technology into their higher margin 1080p panels. Lastly, 1080p panels take advantage of 1080i, which is broadcast by NBC and CBS. No scaling is necessary since the lines simply need to be doubled from 30 frames per second to 60. On a 720p tv, a 1080i signal needs to be line-doubled as well, but will be scaled from 1980x1080 to 1280x720 and you will lose quality and get some artifacting. A 1080i signal on a 1080p panels will look much clearer and lifelike for movies, but may suffer slightly on sports since the original content was not progressive.
The whole 1080i/1080p thing is hype not this whole "1080"thing. There is a difference between 720p and 1080i, a substgantial difference. Yes if you have a 32" set then maybe the fifference is not that great. Over the air broadcasters are only going to broadcast 720p or 1080i you will not see 1080p for quite some time if ever. 1080i is the standard for high definition right now. 1080p is a marketing gimmick. Ifg you do a side by side comparrison with a set over 42" you will absolutely notice the difference between 720p and 1080i. I have never seen any noticeable difference between 1080i and 1080p, a huge difference though when comparred to 720p.
I agree with the author. I own a standard 42" Sony LCD rear projection 720p and it is absolutely beautiful when watching HD TV. It is all I will ever need. Bonus: 720p stuff is so inexpensive nowadays. If you're looking to get into the HD market, think Sony 720p. Trust me.
At 42 inches and below 720p is find. But above 50 inches 1080p would make a difference
In my search for a lcd tv, so far I've found that the 720p appears to have as good a pic as the 1080p on 40 and 46 inch screens. The main difference is the brand of tv; Samsung far exceeds Vizio and even appears better than the Sony Bravia & Sharp Aquos, though all are very close. The next big difference is whether the tv is on blueray or not; blueray enhances the view greatly but of course, there is significant additional cost involved. Since I'm not an electronics geek - I just want a good view at a good price - I'm strongly considering the 720p in whatever tv I buy; in 5-10 years I'll probably buy whatever else comes out, but my criteria will be the same: what does the view look like for the money ? how much bang for the buck are you getting ? Let's face it, you can keep spending money on every gadget to improve the view but just how much better is the view for what you're spending to get it and is it really that critical to watching tv ? The article by Christopher Null seems to me to be right on target and I appreciate the sensibility of his advise.
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26 Posted by johnbantle on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:38PM EDT Report Abuse
In the end go with what looks good to you and you will be happy with it. I took size and price over resolution. I got a 50" in 720p and the picture is great. Yes, the picture on the 1080p was slightly better but for me it wasn't worth the price (and no one had a 50" in 1080p when I bought my TV).