Thu Jun 7, 2007 11:38PM EDT
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When it comes to iPhone and Apple hype, I thought I'd seen it all. When consumers go ga-ga over a point-one release of an aging Apple operating system, that's one thing. For a fussy magazine like BusinessWeek to jump into the ring is another altogether. BW's wild prediction: The iPhone "may be a $10 billion business" for Apple by 2009. That, my friends, is certified crazy talk.
Don't get me wrong. I can't wait to get my hands on the iPhone. I'm on Apple's list for a review unit. I'm a fan of the iPod. And I was just remarking today that the iPhone could be the gadget that finally pushes me into becoming a full-time smartphone user.
But is Apple going to sell $10 billion worth of phones in 2009? Let's consider the rationality of this statement.
The most successful phone of all time is the Motorola RAZR. To take you on a little history lesson, the RAZR was originally priced, just like the iPhone, at a whopping $500, but the price rapidly plummeted as Motorola rolled it out to the masses. The result: Motorola sold 50 million of the things in eight months, most at a price of about $100 or $50. And that was the carrier price. There's no telling exactly what Motorola made off the RAZR, but let's be optimistic and assume the company got $100 for each handset, or $5 billion in eight months. Again, that's the most successful phone ever, from a company with years of experience in the business. For Apple to double that in 2009 seems, well, a little out of bounds. (One wholly insane analyst pegs his estimate at 45 million phones in 2009.)
Apple's internal estimate is to sell 10 million phones by the end of 2008: 16 months to make what the RAZR made in half the time (and by selling 1/5 the number of phones). This seems doable, but making projections beyond 2008 (and to quadruple those sales) for a market that changes this quickly is insane.
History lesson #2 is the same as the first: The Motorola RAZR. After the huge success of the RAZR, Motorola got caught resting on its laurels and scurried to find a successor. None ever emerged, and Motorola suffered badly after. Motorola was attacked on all sides by competitors who imitated the RAZR, many of whom did it better. The result: The company's stock is down now to where it was before the RAZR was ever invented.
Competition seems to be the one thing that most observers have forgotten about. Do people really think that the iPhone is so unique that it can't be imitated? Sure, it's easy to say that competitors to the iPod haven't caught on, and that's a good argument. But a phone is a different beast and the competition is far more intense. And there are just too many question marks surrounding the thing. If you thought the RAZR knockoffs were something, just wait until Christmas 2007 rolls around. They're already starting to show up, in fact.
Will people get the hang of a buttonless phone? Will the lack of 3G be a deal killer? Will the interface be too hard to use? Will the pictures suck? And do average consumers even want a smartphone? The Sidekick's been around for years, and you barely see them on the streets. Aside from the touchscreen, the Sidekick can do pretty much everything the iPhone can do, and it looks pretty cool, too.
I don't have the answers to any of these questions yet, but the fact that we don't know the answers means that I'm not ready to crow that Apple will somehow add $10 billion in revenue starting a year and a half from now. (For comparison, Apple made $19 billion overall in 2006.)
Still, Apple has done some amazing tricks in the past. No one thought the iPod would take off like it did, and though the company has foundered with Apple TV, its other businesses are rock solid and growing.
But yet, I have to wonder... if this is such a miraculous product, why didn't Apple make it two years ago when it first had the chance, instead of opting to build its first iTunes phone through a disastrous, doomed partnership with, you guessed it, Motorola.
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as far as the iphone is concern.. it won't do any good in the market.. first off i'm an apple fan, don't get wrong... but even so the apple tv seems dull when compared to the nintendo wii which can do pretty much the same thing aside from the gaming... but really who would wnat a bulky phone... sure its pretty advanced but it's bulky... the razor, and sidekicks have pretty much dominated the cell phone industry...
Well... Christopher, I think its interesting that you immediately equated Business Week's assertion that the iPhone will be a $10 billion dollar BUSINESS in 2009 with the iPhone selling $10 billion worth of PHONES. There's a sizeable difference in meaning there. I have every confidence they are in fact seeing what I'm seeing, although I wouldn't personally hazard a guess a what the numbers might look like. That said, I can tick these things off on my fingers: iPhone specific accessories & Made for iPhone licensing fees (currently Apple gets $4 for every 3rd party accessory licensee made accessory), iTunes downloaded applications & games (which we're seeing some activity in), iTunes music & media (specific to wholly new iPhone users and not cannibalized iPod sales), iTunes downloaded ringtones... and the list goes on. I'm personally astonished that Palm never centralized an easy to use application for easy online software purchases/installs. This isn't wild guesswork, its logic and listening. My mouth was gaping open when I read the reports of what at&t would be paying Apple on a monthly basis for each and every new subscriber/activation. Apple doesn't make a monthly fee on every iPod sold, by the way. So... Crazy talk? Really, now. Not so much.
The iPhone is cool until you drop it.
You really can't compare the iphone to any current cell phone on the market. I think sales will be strong for a short while, however the high price will have to come down for the phone to really make a signigiant bite into the cell phone market. If anyone is able to truly revolutionize the phone, it's Apple.
we are all nuts with all this stuff , back to basics. its healthier
as y mom has said, its not a complete necessity. phones are for calling people but its cool eiter way.
Signing a 5 year contract with ATT, pretty much limits their market, I mean really who wants to pay cancellation fees on 3 or 4 phones so one family member can then spend 600 on an untested product ? Even if it cooked me breakfast, Not here, or in the majority of America. There will always be suckers who have to have it first, so it can end up on Ebay or some refurb site within months, just like in the computer market. In the end its a phone, just a phone. It will be outdone by another mfr. who has more experience in the cell phone business by Christmas. I will say though it is a ground breaker.
I think that every phone deserves a chance ! This phone is very different than any other phone - to my experties of 13 years ! i think that the sidekick is more for school kids-if u walk in school hall ways everybody has a sidekick ! and a razr is counted for "old" and not "cool" any more ! phones to students are outs and in's ! i think that iphone should try to get the student body to want the phone and ask the parents - to my opinon the students in middle school are the best target -literally all kids though that age group have cells ! parents spoil there kids ! and if the kid wants the iphone than the parents will get the iphone- just get 3-4 kids in middle from each grade level ! is all you need ! students gossip and show off ! they try to copy each other face it when you have a cell phone business you need to get the attention of many kids - once you get some kids that have the iphone the whole student body gets one and the apple product will be a hit ! Selling phones are easy , you just NEED the students approval and you also need texting - many kids texts too !one of the ways to get a good ad is to get a popular star or sport player ! this is a diffent centery and now when comes a different century you need to hkave a diffrent kind of tec ! and makes sure you get the right apporveal the kids can make you or breack you !!! SO becareful don't underestimate kids - thanks for reading !
Although the comparisons to the other phones, sidekick and the razr seemed far fetched, I found it, after the history lesson, to make a lot of sense. Also how many average people are really going to buy the phone? With gas prices soaring, I don't know many people with 500 bucks waiting in their back pockets. Honestly, I'm not very intersted in the phone, I have an iPod nano and a regular Nokia flip phone, I'm all set, why fix something thats not broken, right? Escpecially for 500 dollars
I for one will not buy a branded locked phone. Only reason I'm with Cingular is the GSM system allows me to buy unlocked, unbranded phones direct. I can guarantee Cingular will "mandate" their expensive data plan if you buy the Iphone. They tried that when I got a sales person trying to sell me their 8525. If they get too overearing I'll just switch to T-Mobile and use my unlocked unbranded Nokia over there
Let's just hope the iPhone, doesn't fall victim to the "first to market" syndrome! I can guarantee, 6 months after the iPhone the smartphone market will begin to get flooded with similar looking and acting devices, by big name companies at a lower price point. I'd wait this one out.
First of all, I'm sticking with Helio. The Ocean is a pretty cool phone and it's at a good price. Besides I don't really care about how much money the company makes .I just look for the quality in the phone.
The lack of 3G is shameful. Surfing the net at turtle speed is no good. Maybe it can get away with this in America where 3G isn't the standard yet. But this phone will be blown away in Europe and Asia where anything less than 3G is unacceptable. Manufacturers like Nokia and Samsung already have various 3G and HSDPA phones in the market, yet Apple is banking on a soon-to-be extinct technology to "revolutionize the industry"? Talk about a lack of vision.
I believe Mr. Null is being to generous. People don't really want a phone that does the things Apple's iphone is hyping. They won't spend a lot of time and money watching You Tube and other videos. Most don't want a smart phone and after the initial frenzy of the new gadget, the iphone's sales will come down to earth just as other smart phones and PDA's have. Other things that will hurt the iphone will be battery life, finger prints on the screen, the size of the phone, and scratches to the screen. At least, Apple looks like they are switching from plastic screens to glass screens. The iphone would have really tanked if Apple put out a phone that scratched up like the first generation nano.
"Do people really think that the iPhone is so unique that it can't be imitated?" You mean like the iPod which has been imitated 1,000 times. You obviously want the iPhone to fall on its face and you obviously use a PC and you are a "techie" so I don't think you'll ever really "get it". It may be overhyped but they are user experience geniuses. Why haven't Motorola and Nokia ever caused this much hype? For the simple fact that they don't create usable products...except for "techies" like yourself.
Who are you again? Journalist for yahoo? I'll consider information from Business Week to not be unwarranted and "crazy talk" The iPhone won't be a first and only model. The RAZR was successful for $5bil over 8 months. We're talking 2 1/2 years for the iPhone to reach that $10bil mark. The RAZR could not evolve and update/upgrade to keep that line continuing to be successful. And as Motorola did, they evolved into some other model and continuing selling phones. The iPhone will continue to evolve over the next 2 1/2 years, which includes something the RAZR or even other motorola phones don't have... the ability to create a more all-in-one device. It'll become a defacto for mobile use... to have high capacity of music/video, wireless web, etc.
Unless I am mistaken this phone is only good in the U.S. with AT&T's coverage and cannot be used as a World phone when you are in Canada or Europe. Can someone verify if my understanding of this is correct or not. Thanks.
You dont know what you dont know ?? While some of the points that you mentioned appear to be sane, you can't write off new breed like iPhone just like that. Remember, it is coming right of the back of ipod, very successful consumer device. This carries strong headwinds and half the distance is already covered. It is addressing a niche market which is not addresses : fast internet on a cell phone. Add that to the very easy-to-use interface. You have a category winner. In theory, specs look great and has all the looks of a great product. How it is implemented and how the market reacts we have to watch and see. Just to say that it is like motoRazor or Sidekick is,to say the least,very naive. Remember,Apple has partnership with Google.
In the beginning I wholly agreed with your statement, that $45 Billion was not doable, but as I read your reasons, I realized that I believe that Apple can turn the kind of numbers you are saying are impossible. The iPod has been a unduplicated devise, Apple will not rest on it's initial success, No other competitor has the Mac OS that is the key to this devise. We have to stop calling it a phone, it's really the super iPod. Just wait till you see version two! Man, I had convinced myself I could wait for one, but now I think I will have to try to get one next week!
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6 Posted by cnull on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:27PM EDT Report Abuse
michael - I understand your point, but the readers have expressed a strong interest in hearing about the iPhone... as well, my post is a response to the other hype-generating stories out there, namely the BusinessWeek article linked above. That said... it could be worse: It could be Paris Hilton gossip.