How to Delete Files For Good

Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:08AM EDT

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Reader Jeff Kahan writes: I've read that even though I empty my trash, there is the possibility of someone retrieving some of the information because it is still lurking somewhere on my hard drive. If this is true, why can't I go to that particular place, see what's there and delete it myself anytime I wish? Thanks for a great column.

This is an old story but it's worth telling again for those who don't know it. Put simply: When you delete a file from your computer (and it needn't be Windows, this is common to every type of PC), that file doesn't "go away," even if you empty the Recycle Bin. Rather, to save wear and tear on your hard drive and to simplify the operation, your computer just eliminates the record of where the file began. Think of your PC as containing a giant "shopping list" of all the files on its hard drive. Delete the canned peaches off that shopping list and the store doesn't actually get rid of the peaches. It just "forgets" that they are there. The space allocated to the peaches remains there until the store needs the space for something else.

There's good and bad in this. The good is that if you accidentally delete something you have a good chance of being able to get it back. The bad: So can anyone else.

These deleted files aren't accessible via Windows, but data recovery software like File Scavenger can quickly recover most recently-deleted data from your PC as if it had never been deleted at all. If you're sure you want to delete those files for good so programs like this won't work, there's plenty of software for that too. I often recommend BCWipe, which lets you permanently wipe only the free space on your hard drive while leaving the non-deleted files intact by overwriting those deleted files with lots of random data so it can't be recovered. Other software like Kill Disk does the same thing to the entire hard drive, rather than just the blank space, leaving an entirely empty, unrecoverable disk when you're done

While BCWipe is something you run periodically, there's also software to let you do this on the fly, essentially replacing the recycle bin with the equivalent of a paper shredder that wipes any file you delete for good. If you install one, tread with caution: Once you delete something, even by mistake, there's no going back. Simple File Shredder (updated with more reliable link) is a good (and free) choice to check out.

If you're accident-prone, there's software that goes the other way too, putting extra safeguards on deleted files and making it easier to recover mistakenly deleted data. Check out Norton SystemWorks, which includes a "Protected Recycle Bin."

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  • 66 Posted by cloudview05 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:27PM EDT Report Abuse

    Onyx is your friend for cleaning Macs. And liek every thing else, it is super easy and very flexable. Oh and free. http://mac.softpedia.com/get/System-Utilities/OnyX.shtml

  • 67 Posted by yan_61 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:55PM EDT Report Abuse

    I would like to have the sofware call" how to delete file for good" but need advise whic qne is better one.

  • 68 Posted by maxman71 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:12PM EDT Report Abuse

    A suggestion for when you get rid of your computer and/or hard drive. Remove the hard drive and take a hammer to it before you throw it in the trash, hand it over to a PC recycler, etc. There are enterprising folks in places like Africa, etc. that like to get their hands on discarded hard drives and mine for things other than diamonds and oil...

  • 69 Posted by mbraun@ameritech.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:12PM EDT Report Abuse

    Macs just click "SECURE EMPTY TRASH" Norton has a nice feature as well, but not necessary.

  • 70 Posted by alan_aardvark2001 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:49PM EDT Report Abuse

    To doug4jets. If the file is reported in use, and you try to wipe it with BC Wipe (which can delete and individual file or groups of files), it will give you the option of automatically deleting the file the next time Windows starts. Protected files are generally protected for a reason. Depending on your version of Windows, administrative rights could be required to delete a file, so you may need to log in as administrator, or get an administrator to give your account administrative rights for deletion. Even on older systems (Windows 98 and earlier through DOS), I'm pretty sure that Hidden, Read-only, and System files couldn't be deleted; but you could change their attributes; i.e., delete the H, R, and/or S attribute flags, and then delete them. (Be especially careful about deleting S and H files. S files are system files, and H files may be required for some applications to work properly.) This was done in DOS using the 'attrib' command (attrib / h) would give a help screen; and was done in Windows 9.x by right clicking a file or group of files, clicking properties, and un-checking desired attribute boxes.

  • 71 Posted by alan_aardvark2001 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:49PM EDT Report Abuse

    To doug4jets. If the file is reported in use, and you try to wipe it with BC Wipe (which can delete and individual file or groups of files), it will give you the option of automatically deleting the file the next time Windows starts. Protected files are generally protected for a reason. Depending on your version of Windows, administrative rights could be required to delete a file, so you may need to log in as administrator, or get an administrator to give your account administrative rights for deletion. Even on older systems (Windows 98 and earlier through DOS), I'm pretty sure that Hidden, Read-only, and System files couldn't be deleted; but you could change their attributes; i.e., delete the H, R, and/or S attribute flags, and then delete them. (Be especially careful about deleting S and H files. S files are system files, and H files may be required for some applications to work properly.) This was done in DOS using the 'attrib' command (attrib / h) would give a help screen; and was done in Windows 9.x by right clicking a file or group of files, clicking properties, and un-checking desired attribute boxes.

  • 72 Posted by up2nogood1626 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:28PM EDT Report Abuse

    Question; what if I run or open a file from an external hard drive or thumb drive, it that file still retrievable?

  • 74 Posted by ilex007 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:23PM EDT Report Abuse

    another solution is to have an additional remove hard drive, u work on this hard drive..of course there will be some trace on your primary hard drive...but without this remote drive plugged in, it will be impossible to acces or recover the entire file...for the simple reason that its not physically there....no need to overwrite 35 times files!!.... ;)

  • 75 Posted by wechoosehome on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:42PM EDT Report Abuse

    If you don't "save" a document, e.g., a Word Doc, but only type it, print it, then close it out, will that keep it from being stored on the hard drive?

  • 76 Posted by gerryrains on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:08PM EDT Report Abuse

    This is a reply to snspusher24: What you (and I) do, pressing shift-delete and following by the answer "y", is merely a shortcut which is, however, identical in effect with placing the file in the Recycle Bin and then deleting it. Such files are easily recovered. Thus, the answer to your question is "yes", they do stay on your hard drive. As of now, Microsoft Windows does not, to my knowledge, give you that capability. You must use a third-party program. You might check in "Nonags" to see if a free utility is available to you, although I personally would prefer to use something more professional.

  • 77 Posted by ozric418 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:47PM EDT Report Abuse

    @mmrjp, In Linux you can just enter at the command line: shred -u file_name1 file_name2 ... or enter man shred to learn more about the command.

  • 78 Posted by tetrical_01 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:01PM EDT Report Abuse

    Data can still be found even if you wiped your hard drive clean even with appropriate softwares. Best and most effective way is to tear your hard drive apart literally and get a new one,that is if the data is highly classified. If you do not want to go to that extent, then using the shredder like softwares and reformating your hard drive dozens of times will be enough. Or if you will need access to the data, but do not want to get rid of it, then a hidden vault may be the answer. Other similar tools such as password protection (using mathematical algorithms) may also be useful.

  • 79 Posted by donniem7 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:46PM EDT Report Abuse

    What about deleting the file, emptying the Recycle Bin, and running Disk Defragmenter?

  • 80 Posted by ubusdad98 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:26PM EDT Report Abuse

    when i uninstalled Norton there were files in quaranteen that was lost in the process. now some programs do not work right, is there any way to go back and retrive those files???

  • 81 Posted by ltchieh on Thu Sep 3, 2009 6:58PM EDT Report Abuse

    I thinks governments need to regulate what softwares are able and lawful to do. Software developers must have licence to create a certain software. Then, there will be no softwares those create problems.

  • 82 Posted by tjmarks317 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:12PM EDT Report Abuse

    Thank you . For the beginner this is great info. TJM

  • 83 Posted by sgillespiexuma on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:14PM EDT Report Abuse

    When I delete, I have an option to shred. Does this really get rid of my trash or not? technovice

  • 84 Posted by cmorayne on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:27PM EDT Report Abuse

    As fah_cue82 said, this is for people who have things to hide, but that does not necessarily means it's something bad. Personal data, especially of the financial sort, most definitely needs to be wiped in such a way as to deny recovery by another person. There are too many stories of hard drives from ATMs being thrown away and the data on them being recoverable.

  • 85 Posted by jaimemontoya1 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:27PM EDT Report Abuse

    This is a good article, but I would like to know the programs or process to do this on Linux.

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