Are Cell Phones Really Dangerous to Planes?

Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:21AM EST

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As Salon's Patrick Smith notes, "Few rules are more confounding to airline passengers than those regarding the use of cellphones and portable electronic devices." I'd add the quart-sized plastic bag to that list, but I digress: Smith is right. Is it really true that something as innocuous as a Treo left on in row 32 could cause a jumbo jet to go down in flames? Let's ask Smith himself: He isn't just a pundit, he's a commercial pilot as well.

Part of the issue regarding stowing electronics at takeoff and landing, says Smith, has nothing to do with the fabled "interference," but rather that they can be dangerous as impromptu projectiles in the event of a sudden stop. Just ask the lady who decided to leave her tray table down and a full cup of Coke on it during my recent return flight from Vegas. Amazingly, it didn't stay where she wanted it to.

That aside, what happens in the cockpit when you forget to shut your phone down during takeoff? Most likely: Nothing. But interference is possible. Smith doesn't use this analogy, but try putting your cell phone next to a cheap PC speaker and turn up the volume. You will probably note an occasional, rapid, syncopated beeping coming from the computer speaker. If you've ever heard this before and wondered what it was, now you know: That's interference between the two devices.

Now an airplane is considerably more complicated than a $10 speaker, so the stakes are much higher should interference occur. But as Smith notes, airplanes are also designed to take this kind of interference into account. Smith himself says that he's never noted anything on the flight deck that might have been caused by a cell phone, but how would he know. Airplanes exhibit brief, oddball glitches all the time, and usually no one ever knows what the source was. (All that aside, at least two major incidents, including one crash, have been blamed on cell phones, though neither has been proven.)

The airlines don't really seem to care too much about the cell phone rule: Smith estimates that about half of all cell phones are left on during flight. My personal experience observing other passengers validates this.

Smith wisely notes that one big reason for the cell phone rules is that the potential for danger of phones ensures that people won't demand to use them in flight. Most fliers, as we know, despise this idea, but serial chatters are far more, ahem, vocal about the issue. No one wants a war over technology at 35,000 feet. Those days, however, are already arriving in Europe, as onboard cellular systems have already been approved. Will the U.S. see the same? Smith feels it's inevitable, and he's probably right.

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  • 46 Posted by moorestephen@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:26PM EDT Report Abuse

    I can not imagine how horrible a flight would be if cell phones were allowed. YAK YAK YAK would drive me crazy. Do we really need to be availble 24 7? Heck I enjoy not being able to be reached, gives me time to THINK again...or read...anything but YAK YAK YAK....

  • 47 Posted by utemike on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:29PM EDT Report Abuse

    The biggest reason to turn everything off below 10,000 feet is so people Pay Attention. Whether it's ear-pods, cell phone or some pocketbox game, it's likely some of these cadets wouldn't notice the plane was crashing if they were mid-game. As with most rules, it's a lowest-common-denominator issue...

  • 48 Posted by jzone_88 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:45PM EDT Report Abuse

    I've accidentally left my phone on during a number of flights. Obviously nothing happened.

  • 49 Posted by ihermdar1 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:23PM EDT Report Abuse

    Could be worse than a crying child. Ever notice how loudly people talk on the phone as if the person on the other end may miss something important they have to say. Plus I would just as soon not take a chance if there is any possibility the cell phone could affect the computers on the plane. I have heard the beeping sound on my land phone when the cell phone is next to it. Better safe than sorry.

  • 50 Posted by zuul023 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 11:02PM EDT Report Abuse

    I say if anyone bothers anyone they should be jettisoned.. that man talking too loudly.. *Flush* Right out the plane... that baby crying? *Flush* The baby AND the parent. Someone acting nutty... well you get my point. Who rightly cares about fat people, cell phones and whatnot. When something is ALWAYS going to get on SOMEONES nerves. Just bring a IPOD/ZUNE stick it in your ears and tune everything out. Done and done. Douchebags.

  • 51 Posted by say_hi_sometime on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:06PM EDT Report Abuse

    Imagine 50-150 people jacking about nothing and you trying to sleep or read a book. HECK NO!!! Whoever allows this needs to have his/her address made public so the passengers can express their appreciation anyway they want!

  • 52 Posted by pilotjscott2000 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:12PM EDT Report Abuse

    Another real issue is the FCC. Check out http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/cellonplanes.html. The main purpose, as I understand it, was interference with ground based cell systems. If you're in the air, you are in line of sight of many cell sites as opposed to a very few while on the ground (cell towers are placed such that there is little overlap of coverage area while maintaining optimal coverage). This "ties up" valuable bandwidth thus "interfering" with other signals.

  • 53 Posted by buickjim on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:15PM EDT Report Abuse

    Don't forget that those Skyphone companies would go out of business. That would be AWFUL.

  • 54 Posted by richardacronym on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:39PM EDT Report Abuse

    They are dangerous on planes. They have been known to interfere with the FADECs (Full Authority Digital Engine Controls). This is why ALL devices should be off below 10,000 feet - because you do not have a lot of time for an engine restart below 10,000 feet should the FADECs shut down the engines due to interference.

  • 55 Posted by normandhugh@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:41PM EDT Report Abuse

    keep cell phones off. most passengers don't want to listen to people on cell phones. i think most passengers like my self want peace & quiet.

  • 56 Posted by cailiff06 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:16PM EDT Report Abuse

    Doesn't matter if it doeesn't pose a hazard....You're not going to get a cell signal at 40,000 feet anyway!!!

  • 57 Posted by danwindham on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:36PM EDT Report Abuse

    I've had a crewmember leave on a nextell direct connect phone, and when it went off, a smoke detector under the flight deck went off. So, it can happen.

  • 58 Posted by lynnmartin2005 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:01PM EDT Report Abuse

    I do think phones should be OFF they say they should therefor just do it i cant smoke on a plane i abide this rule rules are rules! whats the point in having them if you cant abide by them.

  • 59 Posted by thekeyisthegate on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:04PM EDT Report Abuse

    Actually, I've worked for a Cell Phone company in the past, and I know for a fact that it's for purely commercial reasons they don't want cell phones used during flight. Although I can't deny the strange interference noise cell phones have on many speakers and landline phones, overall they aren't sophisticated enough to cause serious interference with the onboard navigational systems used in everyday flight.

  • 60 Posted by dunkelrabe@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:50PM EDT Report Abuse

    To use or not to use a cellphone. Ok, the writer did prove certain points of interference has occured with such products like speakers on your computer/stereo/etc... But, what research I have discovered is that it is not a CONTINUAL interruption. You can have a cell phone on, next to a speaker, and not receive any interference whatso ever until you receive a txtmsg or an incoming call. You cell phone, when receiving txt, should sound like morse code, slight "bursts" of interference, and when receiving a incoming call, it is a more steady stream of interference. I too have seen the "plausable" intereference on "MYTHBUSTERS", and I do agree with the change of technology as well as the increase in signal, interference is plausable, but I feel this is just as the same myth as cellphones BURSTING your car into flames at a gas station pump...like I said...a myth. But I agree with you all on the annoyance of someone less then 13" away from you being a "chatty cathy" for a 6hr flight, especially that push 2 talk from sprint is annoying. Hahaha

  • 61 Posted by mistahrose on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:22PM EDT Report Abuse

    I agree with the posters above. I was once stuck on a bus from the Hamptons to NYC and some yack-head blasted his conversation all over the place. Tell him to hold it down and he gets upset. Imagine transatlantic flights and people shouting over the engine noise. How about WiFi internet so e mail/texting only. MR/http://lalandedigitalpress.blogspot.com/

  • 62 Posted by russell_clay on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:56PM EDT Report Abuse

    Missed the major point of cellphones off---ensures at least some usage of the air phones provided on most flights and their dollar+ a minute charges.

  • 63 Posted by nehringer on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:35PM EDT Report Abuse

    With recent advances in avionics technology, there is little to no chance that a cell phone can cause significant interferrence with flight instruments or radio navigation equipment. However, if you have ever had a cell phone in close proximity to a computer or other electronic audio equipment, you have heard the "dit-dit-dit" sound emitting from the speakers when a call comes through or the phone updates through your service provider. This interferrence can be audible in the cockpit, and over the cabin PA system. Anoying, but not hazzardous, turning off your phone elliminates this type of interferrence. Also, cell systems are designed to be accessed from ground level. Airborne access has a tendency to needlessly occupy the bandwidth of cellular systems. Inaccessability is one of the technical factors that drives the cost of the service and could have an impact on the rates that cell phone users pay. Lastly, cell phones, pagers, and other remote transmitters can be used as detonating devices for remotely controlled explosives. Many IED's in Iraq are detonated remotely by litterally "calling it in". Elliminating the presence of electronic devices capable of setting off explosive devices is another security measure commercial air carriers have to provide the safest air transportation possible.

  • 64 Posted by fkevin39 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:00PM EDT Report Abuse

    As usual this is blown way out of proportion. Keep your cell phone/crackberry off unless you are hijacked and/or plunging to certain death (who would you call?)... "Its not over 'till the Fat Lady sings"

  • 65 Posted by jameswork52 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:28PM EDT Report Abuse

    To add my vote. No phones on planes. Eight hours sitting next to someone keen for everyone to hear that she/he is sitting on a plane flying through the air, and all the boring minutiae about his/her life. No cell phones on planes. It's madness to even contemplate it. However, you wait. Because it is so unpopular, I wonder which airline will be the first to charge a premium for no cell-phone flights.

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