Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:21AM EST
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As Salon's Patrick Smith notes, "Few rules are more confounding to airline passengers than those regarding the use of cellphones and portable electronic devices." I'd add the quart-sized plastic bag to that list, but I digress: Smith is right. Is it really true that something as innocuous as a Treo left on in row 32 could cause a jumbo jet to go down in flames? Let's ask Smith himself: He isn't just a pundit, he's a commercial pilot as well.
Part of the issue regarding stowing electronics at takeoff and landing, says Smith, has nothing to do with the fabled "interference," but rather that they can be dangerous as impromptu projectiles in the event of a sudden stop. Just ask the lady who decided to leave her tray table down and a full cup of Coke on it during my recent return flight from Vegas. Amazingly, it didn't stay where she wanted it to.
That aside, what happens in the cockpit when you forget to shut your phone down during takeoff? Most likely: Nothing. But interference is possible. Smith doesn't use this analogy, but try putting your cell phone next to a cheap PC speaker and turn up the volume. You will probably note an occasional, rapid, syncopated beeping coming from the computer speaker. If you've ever heard this before and wondered what it was, now you know: That's interference between the two devices.
Now an airplane is considerably more complicated than a $10 speaker, so the stakes are much higher should interference occur. But as Smith notes, airplanes are also designed to take this kind of interference into account. Smith himself says that he's never noted anything on the flight deck that might have been caused by a cell phone, but how would he know. Airplanes exhibit brief, oddball glitches all the time, and usually no one ever knows what the source was. (All that aside, at least two major incidents, including one crash, have been blamed on cell phones, though neither has been proven.)
The airlines don't really seem to care too much about the cell phone rule: Smith estimates that about half of all cell phones are left on during flight. My personal experience observing other passengers validates this.
Smith wisely notes that one big reason for the cell phone rules is that the potential for danger of phones ensures that people won't demand to use them in flight. Most fliers, as we know, despise this idea, but serial chatters are far more, ahem, vocal about the issue. No one wants a war over technology at 35,000 feet. Those days, however, are already arriving in Europe, as onboard cellular systems have already been approved. Will the U.S. see the same? Smith feels it's inevitable, and he's probably right.
Join in the discussion. Here you'll see the comments in the order they were posted.
I hope we never have cell phone service allowed on airplanes. It's bad enough we are packed in like cattle. I cannot even imagine how awful a flight would be with my seat neighbor on the phone. We seem to have no consideration for others anymore in today's society and this would just validate that opinion and cause passenger rage. You think road rage is bad, just wait. This will be worse.
If there exit any International Standard for using Mobile Phones in Airplanes, I think it is not a problem using them. Technically I think is possible to use Mobile Phones in the Airplanes without interferences.
I am Regional Manager Of A Company In Mid-east & Therefor Have To Travel Every Week.Every Time I hear That 'SWITCH OFF MOBILE PHONES!!' but there where people still using it. My STRICT advice "NO MOBILE PHONES ON BOARD"
I don't know about whether cell phones are bad for airplanes. I doubt that they are. But I do know that the heroic passengers on the ill-fated flight 93 on 9/11 used their cellphones for communication to loved ones. Therefore, cell phones work fine on planes.
I don't want cell phones allowed on planes, I cannot understand when you land and people turn on their phones just to call someone to say they have landed. Is it that important they cannot wait until they are in the terminal or at baggage claim??? There is enough noise on the plane you don't need chatter boxes with useless conversations.
I would have to say that cell phones should be allowed on flights. But NOT for talking. Strictly texting and email only, and the phone must be kept on silence. This way you can stay in touch, but not disturb the other passengers
In response to comment #2, you are spreading misleading information. The Cell phone on a plane Myth was busted on Mythbusters. "Cell phones disrupt airplane navigation: mythbusted. Modern planes are well-shielded enough to not be affected" http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2006/04/episode_49_cellphones_on_plane.html
this is a bit off topic iguess, but what is the differene in having a peson talking on a cell phone in, say a restaurant and a whole party of individuals yelling and screaming back and forth and generally being inconciderate ----- s.at leat with cell phones you only hear one side of the conversation!
I for one will always turn off my cell phone because I follow rules. I don't believe rules are to be broken either. I just wish every one else would feel the same and take in consideration other peoples safety first. I would report abuse.
#13, my bad. I only remembered the beginning of the test, when it was not properly shielded and the interferance was confirmed. Thanks for the link. It refreshed my memory. I had no intentions of spreading misleading information. But you still have to keep in mind that not all phones have been or ever will be tested. And there also is the possibility of improper shielding on a particular plane. #6, You obviously are either in the industry or used to be. I was in the cell business for 10 years, in both sales and service. You nailed the technological issues to a T.
I am a retired flight attendant, 26 years. On one particular flight a few years back I was called to the flight station by the captain. He told me in no uncertain terms to make an announcement that whoever was using a cellphone needed to turn it off immediately. We were on approach at the time and were off course by some ten miles. Cellphone interference with navigational equipment is possible. It depends on the location of the phone and proximity to wiring bundles in the aircraft. Since no one can predict when/if this will happen it's best to keep the phones turned off. In addition, it's bad enough that we must endure some loudmouth in the boarding area recounting his latest prostate exam. I agree with #7, if passengers are allowed to carry on conversations in flight there will be blood in the aisles!
A plane is about the only place that you can get away from these anti social menaces so please keep them phone free
The day that cell phones are allowed on flights is the day I take the train. Listening to the average air-head discuss the pathetic, sordid details of their miserable existence is a torture that fits somewhere between a root-canal and a tax-audit. An airline flight is bad enough without pin-heads yakking on their cell-phones. It won't take much for an in-flight slugfest to start if they allow cell phones.
BEFORE THEY MAKE THIS DECISION. Whoever will be making this decision to allow cell phones should sit next to me during a long flight, while I am on my cell phone.
BEFORE THEY MAKE THIS DECISION. Whoever will be making this decision to allow cell phones should sit next to me during a long flight, while I am on my cell phone.
[quote]Airplanes exhibit brief, oddball glitches all the time, and usually no one ever knows what the source was.[/quote] Joy : )
YOU can believe people, YOU DON'T want to be on a jet thats "going in", it would be worst then going to visit a morgue to see what a drunk driver looks like after an accident. As a A & P, what the "OleMan",(Captin) said,is true, THIS ""Could"",happen & IF it already has,the "souls" (people) on board the bird,(plane) sure aren't able to tell u,it was caused by a cell phone interference.
If cell phones were really dangerous to aircraft navigation, some terrorist would already have brought a bunch of them onto a plane and caused a crash. The real danger is that the other passengers might start beating up the obnoxious slobs who would have loud cell phone conversations in such cramped quarters. In terms of safety, this rule is just as silly as the "no empty water bottles" rule. Why is an empty water bottle that I want to fill up at a drinking fountain when I get to the other side of security any more dangerous than the full water bottle that I can pay a ludicrously high price for on the other side of the security screening area?
A couple airlines are already going the way of land-based high-speed internet service. This service uses access-points along the airtraffic routes. Once the internet functionality is there, unless the ISP or the airline specifically block the ability to do voice traffic over the internet, the capability of making airline calls will already be there. Future phones are including wifi connections for voice and web. Even a laptop computer equiped with software can be converted to operate through an internet based service provider. Block or not, there are other potential complications such as network delays etc. that could create fidelity and connection problems. It will all depend upon the system. Everyone has a valid point about talking on the phones during a flight, however, people chatting with other, children fussing/playing and loud earphones that you can hear the high pitch hiss being emitted from 4 rows away are all things that we have no control over. Adding phones to the mess might be less of a problem is there was a slightly larger than reasonable charge for that functionality to cut down on abuse.
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6 Posted by melax on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:15PM EDT Report Abuse
I imagine that from the wireless carrier's point of view, cellphone on planes would be a real problem. Being 5-8 miles up, you have clear line of sight to a large number of cell towers. Determining handoff of a cell phone moving at 500 miles per hour would be challenging, and then it would only stay in a cell for a few seconds to a minute before moving to the next cell. The bit error rates must go through the roof with such a call. Now put 100 people in a plane onto cell phones, not only have you got all the channels used up, but with the poor signals on these 100 calls, the cell base stations would probably hit their limits for processing. Chris, maybe you could get a better picture from someone AT&T and share it to enlighten us all.