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As Salon's Patrick Smith notes, "Few rules are more confounding to airline passengers than those regarding the use of cellphones and portable electronic devices." I'd add the quart-sized plastic bag to that list, but I digress: Smith is right. Is it really true that something as innocuous as a Treo left on in row 32 could cause a jumbo jet to go down in flames? Let's ask Smith himself: He isn't just a pundit, he's a commercial pilot as well.
Part of the issue regarding stowing electronics at takeoff and landing, says Smith, has nothing to do with the fabled "interference," but rather that they can be dangerous as impromptu projectiles in the event of a sudden stop. Just ask the lady who decided to leave her tray table down and a full cup of Coke on it during my recent return flight from Vegas. Amazingly, it didn't stay where she wanted it to.
That aside, what happens in the cockpit when you forget to shut your phone down during takeoff? Most likely: Nothing. But interference is possible. Smith doesn't use this analogy, but try putting your cell phone next to a cheap PC speaker and turn up the volume. You will probably note an occasional, rapid, syncopated beeping coming from the computer speaker. If you've ever heard this before and wondered what it was, now you know: That's interference between the two devices.
Now an airplane is considerably more complicated than a $10 speaker, so the stakes are much higher should interference occur. But as Smith notes, airplanes are also designed to take this kind of interference into account. Smith himself says that he's never noted anything on the flight deck that might have been caused by a cell phone, but how would he know. Airplanes exhibit brief, oddball glitches all the time, and usually no one ever knows what the source was. (All that aside, at least two major incidents, including one crash, have been blamed on cell phones, though neither has been proven.)
The airlines don't really seem to care too much about the cell phone rule: Smith estimates that about half of all cell phones are left on during flight. My personal experience observing other passengers validates this.
Smith wisely notes that one big reason for the cell phone rules is that the potential for danger of phones ensures that people won't demand to use them in flight. Most fliers, as we know, despise this idea, but serial chatters are far more, ahem, vocal about the issue. No one wants a war over technology at 35,000 feet. Those days, however, are already arriving in Europe, as onboard cellular systems have already been approved. Will the U.S. see the same? Smith feels it's inevitable, and he's probably right.
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As a flight attendant, I tell the passengers who challenge me when I tell them to turn it off is that they need to be paying attention and be alert to any and all announcements that pertain to their safety. If they are listening to their ipod on on their phones, obviously they arent paying attention to me. Also, its the law and we have denied pushback till all cellphones are off.
"Smith" may be a commercial pilot, but I got it from the lips of a pilot for Continental last year that a cell phone signal can and has caused the navigation system to "relocate" the aircraft on the radar screen by several miles. Though it's a transitory interference (goes away after a short time), it can really screw up things during final approach and landing, not a good time for such events.
Cell phones are going to be dangerous to the user - if they're sitting next to me nattering (assuming finally approved in the USA.)
texting should be allowed,talking no
There is no need to yak on the cell phone during a flight. As Americans, we do that far too much on the ground as it is. Believe it or not, you CAN survive without your cell phone, especially for a few hours. For the sake of safety, and above all, plain old courtesy, keep your phone turned off whenever you are on an airplane (and preferably, in other public places as well).
Allowing messaging (ala Blackberry) on planes would be ok, I guess, although it has reached a point where flight times are the ONLY time I can get any work done - nobody expects to be responded to instantaneously. Allowing people to TALK, however, is going to cause a RIOT. I've been both the annoyed listener and (sadly) the annoying. It's not obvious when you're on the phone how LOUD you're being until the guy 50 feet away glares at you....... Air travel is hard enough already - let's not make the situation worse.
My opinion is that the real reason for not allowing cell phones on the plane is the cell phone carrier lobbyists who believe that they can't effectively bill users because the calls are bounced from cell site to cell site in so many different jurisdictions...
Glad I'm never fly on Trans States Airlines if a little beeping might cause one of their pilots to make a fatal mistake...sheesh what a load.
I am an airline pilot, and a I have had three confirmed occasions where a cell phone interfered. Two in the air and one on the ground. The annunciator system twice started to say " too low gear". This happened at 300 feet when landing and a passenger started to use his cellphone. We went around and everytime he talked this happened. And once on the ground it happened telling us our flaps were not set properly and confirmed when the cellphone was being used it happened and when not it would stop. Granted, this is a low percentage occurrence but any occurrence when safety is involved is too much.
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I have about 3000 hours of flight time, and am a full time airline pilot. I can give you some real information. Cell phones do cause interference onradio communications, I NEVER seen it in Navigation interference. When you are on the ground, and a phone is in close prox. to the flight deck, say 1st class....you will hear a series of clicks before the phone actually rings. I, myself have forgot to turn it off, and heard this interference....I look at my cell, and 2 seconds later it rings. So, it is possible that the captain who was on approach knew somebody had their cell on in the back. Also, more importantly, Cell towers try to triangulate your position, and when you are in the air, you wont have any luck using your phone. You are too, high, and going to fast. More importantly, if you leave your cell on during the flight dont be surprised to find a dead cell battery after a 2 hour flight. Your cell will continue to look for towers the whole time, and drain all your juice. If you had to use it in the air, the only times of consistent use would be at low altitude, and lower groundspeed. So plausable right after takeoff, and on approach(2-4 min from touchdown) Hope this clears up some confusion.
Thank you ejc_99 and happy to see folks have the guts to speak the truth.
Turn off the God darn phone!!! Do not take every rule as a erosion of your human rights!
People talking on cell phones in the air would be terrible! Can't people go for a few hours with out annoying people when they talk way to loud about stuff that they force everyone to listen to?
I agree with the ban, for comfort of other fliers. I was stuck at the gate for an hour on American. One of their employees was on the plane yacking loud enough to be heard all over the plane. We heard about plane problems, her party plans for the weekend and several other things. Please keep the ban.
if your cell phone is so much as on the plane will burst into flames and crash into the middle of the Pacific Ocean...... maybe..... if you are really really unlucky
It is the FCC that has banned or restricted cell phones not the FAA. The issue is not to the aircraft as much as to the navigation equipment ( ILS/LOC )which guides the plane to the ground in low overcast and minimal visibiltiy. The antenna for these sytems ( which is not shielded ) is right over the passenger cabin. The concern is the modulated signal from the cell phone operates as a "harmonic" frequency "throwing off" the A/C navigational aides possibly taking the aircraft off course at a critical phase of flight.
I'm a pilot of a plane that was built in the 50's.. It's been updated since then, but it's still pretty old.. I always forget to turn my cell phone off.. I've never had any issues with the instruments going nuts.. heck my captain usually forgets to turn his off too.. The only thing that I've noticed is a little clicking noise in my headset.. Kinda sounds like morse code.. I've been told it's because we have our cell phones on..
the reality is that in the air you are moving at a fast enough pace through networks that the cell phone companies cannot track how long you are on the phone or which network you are in. Basically they cannot bill you for your air time
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66 Posted by steves5150 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:43PM EDT Report Abuse
I design assemblies for military aircraft and I know commercial aircraft electronics would not all survive an EMP. Do people have to talk on a phone so bad that it is worth the risk? Could you be sitting near a junction of electronics that would be susceptible to a cell phone? I have seen what interference can do and I rather not take the risk.