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Twice in the last six months I've found myself on the receiving end of a barrage of repeated, angry calls from debt collectors. First, Providian insisted I pay them back over $3,000 in credit card fees. Now, Sallie Mae wants my student loan repaid immediately. The only problem: I have never had a Providian credit card, nor have I ever had a loan from Sallie Mae.
I know it isn't a fun job to try to track down money you're owed: Writers like me have to play debt collector all the time when magazines "lose" our invoices, when companies change hands, and when nefarious publishers just suddenly decide not to pay.
But I'm not so stupid to call the wrong magazine to collect what I'm owed. Alas, that's what I've been dealing with for weeks: A call comes in asking to talk to me about my student loan. I say I don't have a student loan. We go back and forth, establishing that I don't have the same Social Security Number or date of birth as the offending person, but apparently they live in San Francisco now, so of course it must be me. It always ends with them promising not to call me any more. Then they call back a few days later and we start all over. The collectors just refuse to believe that someone else might possibly have the same name as me. I can't imagine what John Smith must go through.
Lately they have started calling my cell phone, which I think they got off my answering machine message when I didn't pick up the phone once. Now they call both numbers. I will speak to the same woman within minutes of each call, and she'll have no recollection that we just had an identical conversation. It's maddening.
I asked experts how to deal with a situation like this and the advice was useful and handy.
Gerri Detweiler, co-author of Stop Debt Collectors Cold, said to 1) make sure to get the debt collector's name, address, and phone number in writing, 2) request written verification of the debt (whether you are the right person or not), and 3) check credit reports to make sure the debt isn't attached to your credit record.
Brad Stroh, co-CEO of Bills.com, pointed me to this helpful FTC web page, telling us what debt collectors can and can't do, legally. He also says that invalid claims are best fought in writing, and that you have 30 days of when you are first informed of the debt to do so. (I'm probably too late on that one.) Keep a record of all correspondence, he says. You can also write to formally request they cease and desist from contacting you at all, though this does not eliminate any debt you actually owe. Finally, Stroh says that if a debt collector is breaking the law, they can be reported to the FTC and your state's Attorney General's office. (The above FTC page has more information on that front.)
I asked Sallie Mae's public relations officials what the story was with all of this, and they said that such cases are "extremely rare," and that I was doing the right thing by telling the company they had the wrong guy. They also promised to get my numbers removed from their calling list. While I was responding in email with those digits, Sallie Mae called again. Twice.
Sigh.
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Last Friday (2/1/08) Chris did a blog about Intelius and their online cell phone directory service. http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/67991;_ylt=Ahs.101pgwiaaF5MbwFZNWkrLpA5 A lot of people said, "So what if my cell number becomes available to everyone. I've got nothing to hide." Well, THIS article should be a wake-up call. As far as debt collectors are concerned, you might want to check with your state's Attorney General. According to the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, each state has a statute of limits for collection attempts. In Texas, it's 4 years. After 4 years, and if there has been no activity on the account, the courts must honor what is known as a "time-barred debt." http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre27.pdf The debtor can notify the collector that the debt is time-barred and the collector can no longer contact the debtor EXCEPT to acknowledge that they understand they may no longer contact you. If a collector violates that notice they can be sued and assessed penalties for violating the FDPCA (which is a Federal offense.) I'm not a lawyer but this provision under Federal law might be worth looking into.
Never give personal information to a telephone debt collector. Ever. Make them verify they have your information correct. If it isn't the same social security number tell them to go f themselves. Debt collectors only have power if you let them have it. Control the situation. Make them document every detail of the debt and phone call. Record the call. It costs a few bucks to buy a tape recorder. The easiest method is informing them the only method they can communicate with you is in writing and that any attempt to call you will be harassment. Record that statement to the person. Make them acknowledge they have heard that recording. If they ever think of calling you again tell them you'll report them for harassment. Hook up your recorder to your computer make a digital copy and play if back if they call. Its very easy to submit a harassment claim and a mpg to your representative, Attorney General, the local media, and the FTC. Let them know how easy it is. Once you inform them written is the only acceptable method of contact for collecting a debt it should be over. You could sue them if you have a leg to stand on. Pretty easy to sue and win against these people they dont garner much sympathy.
I've been called the last month by a collection company looking for someone with my last name, but whose first name is Kirt while mine is Joe. I've patiently explained this to the person on the phone, but they keep calling. Thanks for the info...now I know what to do.
I too had this problem with collectors. Same name or similar living in the same area,they attached it to my credit it was quickly resolved by calling and disputing each one with the 3 credit agencys. They continued to ask are you sure you never lived here..are you sure this isnt you...Key is to monitor your credit reports,keep receipts and document everything..After removing everything on my credit that did not belong to me..I was in better shape then I thought.
Thank you for this article! I was called for over 7 years and could not convince the collectors it was not me they were looking for! They finally started threatening me and I had to call the police!
I have a common name, and had Beldin Jewelers calling me 5-6 times a day. I would finally answer, verify that it wasn't me who owed them money and the calls would stop for about a week then start again. I called the BBB and they said to inform them that I had contacted the BBB and to get as much information about them as I could (name, state, etc.) Next time they called I told them about the BBB, the guy made some snotty comment that he didn't care about the BBB, but they never called back. I do wish I could find my namesake and let his wife or fiancee know that her ring was basically stolen.
You can tell them according to the FDCPA (Federal Debt Collections Practices Act) to Cease and Desist ALL Communication on this matter due to the fact of contacting the wrong person. Keep track of the times that they call. If the calls persist. You may prosecute. It is against the law to conduct business like this. I have been a collector in the past. They must according to the Practices Act abide by these rules
I've found what you said particularly true re Sallie Mae. Somehow, my ex's (who had massive student loans and has repeatedly deferred them for the past 15 years) bills have recently started coming to my post office box. I notified the company by telephone who, in turn, told me to write to them (which I did, even sent the letter Certified/Return Receipt) and they would correct their records. To date, they have done nothing as I am still receiving his bills.
I had a debt collector calling me for two years, almost every day (I think I actually spoke with them twice), trying to collect a debt from a Chinese guy with the same landline number as I had then had (I am a caucasian woman). It was humorous how they would mispronounce his name on my answering machine. Eventually, I got rid of my landline. The problem was then instantly solved. You cannot deal with lunatics. You can only avoid them. Change your number, and never give the new one out (except to good friends and family). Use your business number (landline) for anyone else. Once you give anyone your cell number, they have freedom to send an infinite amount of text messages, which will send your bill to infinity.
The worst ones are the automated calls. With nothing human on the other end of the line, you eventually have to call THEM and are put on hold until a real, live human being answers. You'll get the promise to "straighten things out" after a long discussion, but the machines keep calling anyway. That's the insult to the injury.
I received at least 6 - 10 calls a month for someone with the same last name as I do. I always get the same comment when I call back "I have your number listed as a contact person". Liars! I have had mortgages, credit cards, home equity loans and never once on any form have I ever been asked to give a contact number other than my own! Do they think we were all born yesterday? They're hunting and will aim at anything remotely similar to their target. When my answering machine says you've reached (our names and our phone number) and it does not match the person's name or number they are looking for why do they leave a message? When I'm aggrevated enough to return the call, they only say the same thing. Removing my number from the "list" is no satisfaction. I often wonder if people sent out for collections even get a fighting chance. After all they apparently haven't been contacted properly. Collection companies are too busy contacting the wrong people!
when I got badgered from a student loan company, for 3 years straight about paying on a student loan, which I didn't have(wrong guy). I finally called them and harressed them, told them I was the other one that didn't have a loan, how can we straighted out our mess today(lol). The gal that called all the time finally must have got it right, didn't appreciate the calls she told me, I said we have something in common, haven't heard from her again 4 years have gone by,h'mmm.
I'm essentially "John Smith", and yes, I get plenty of those calls. The advice that you "make sure to get the debt collector's name, address, and phone number in writing" sounds great - but the reality is that the debt collectors hang up on you as soon as they realize you're not the person they're looking for, and before you can get contact information or insist on having things in writing. I have had excellent luck though with filing complaints with the state department of trade and consumer protection. Just two weeks ago I got a copy of a written exchange between that department and one bill collector that had harassed me. I'm confident that I won't have any more problems with them.
Think about getting a lawyer! I had a collection agency for UPS collect a debt that I did not owe, and it was only after my attorney called the collection agency, that the collection agency and UPS no longer hasseled me.
99 and 9 tenths percent of the bill collectors are full of crap. most of them dont even speak english..........
Not exactly the same, but close........... I have been dealing with this for SIX years!!! The person who had my phone number BEFORE me, STILL uses it when any of the 3 women in her household get new credit. They all owe like THOUSANDS of dollars to different companies and do not pay any of it! BUT I still get the calls looking for them. I used to work at a Dr. office, and one day a call came in from someone with the same last name. They were calling to change the contact number and address..... YEAH, I wrote that stuff down, and whenever I got more calls, I "accidentally" ave the information to the caller..... But alas and alack, they eventually changed those contact numbers and continued to use mine. and the calls started all over again. ALSO, the Do not call list doesn't work if you "have an established business relationship connected to the number that you have given to a business" ie, when she gives out my number on a credit app, it "establishes a business relationship" LUCKY ME!
As far as I can tell it's impossible to get them to stop calling. They've been trying to reach a couple: Melba and Reginald Jackson at my number for years and I haven't been able to stop them. I've complained to the BBB, FCC, nothing works. When I ask for there address or a supervisor I usually get hung up on. Now I just keep my ringer off, too many times have they called at 8am on a Sunday morning or after 10pm. I don't think they even care that calling at those hours are illegal, it's not like anyone holds them accountable for their behavior. (I know, I should change my number. But my home and cell phone number only differ by 2 digits, and I don't want to give that up.)
Not everyone getting harrassing calls will want to change their phone number but I had to do that after being assigned a number for a new phone line and got all sorts of nasty collection calls for the previous owner of the number. Given the large banks of numbers the phone companies "own" and hold in reserve it is lousy how they re-issue numbers on such short turn around.
Oh, if you ever get a bill collector demanding you put some particular person on the phone and to "make it danged fast!" just sweetly say, "I'm sorry, I don't do anything in a danged manner; for that you'll have to call 1-800-ITS-heck amp;quot; and then hang up.
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26 Posted by cannh624 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:17PM EDT Report Abuse
Oh tell me about it! My name is Cheryl my last name is not Smith, but we'll use that for this discussion. I've been getting calls for over two years for John and Steven Smith. The only other Smith I know is my father and he died in 1999. I keep telling them they have the wrong number, I have no siblings, spouses or husbands and to please not call again. They promise not to call, and I may actually get a month of peace and quiet... but then bingo, here they come again. You think THIS is fun. Wait until your debt is legit and they have you in their system 4 times (once with an amount 10X what you owe) Now THAT is fun. Getting phone calls from India every 30-45 minutes from 7:30 am until 9:00 pm (yes, that is illegal) and when you do talk to them they don't understand anything outside the parameters of their script. Yikes! Common sense has clearly died, businesses are no longer about people -- just numbers. As for me, I have the ringer turned off. I told them the situation, when I would be able to pay. That hasn't changed in the last couple of days (or last 30 minutes) My cell stays off because they are running it down just calling me. My ringer is turned off at home and my friends and business associates are aware that they must leave a message and I will call back until this harrassment stops -- hopefully when I pay them (but I doubt it).