When Debt Collectors Attack the Wrong Guy

Tue Feb 5, 2008 9:34PM EST

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Twice in the last six months I've found myself on the receiving end of a barrage of repeated, angry calls from debt collectors. First, Providian insisted I pay them back over $3,000 in credit card fees. Now, Sallie Mae wants my student loan repaid immediately. The only problem: I have never had a Providian credit card, nor have I ever had a loan from Sallie Mae.

I know it isn't a fun job to try to track down money you're owed: Writers like me have to play debt collector all the time when magazines "lose" our invoices, when companies change hands, and when nefarious publishers just suddenly decide not to pay.

But I'm not so stupid to call the wrong magazine to collect what I'm owed. Alas, that's what I've been dealing with for weeks: A call comes in asking to talk to me about my student loan. I say I don't have a student loan. We go back and forth, establishing that I don't have the same Social Security Number or date of birth as the offending person, but apparently they live in San Francisco now, so of course it must be me. It always ends with them promising not to call me any more. Then they call back a few days later and we start all over. The collectors just refuse to believe that someone else might possibly have the same name as me. I can't imagine what John Smith must go through.

Lately they have started calling my cell phone, which I think they got off my answering machine message when I didn't pick up the phone once. Now they call both numbers. I will speak to the same woman within minutes of each call, and she'll have no recollection that we just had an identical conversation. It's maddening.

I asked experts how to deal with a situation like this and the advice was useful and handy.

Gerri Detweiler, co-author of Stop Debt Collectors Cold, said to 1) make sure to get the debt collector's name, address, and phone number in writing, 2) request written verification of the debt (whether you are the right person or not), and 3) check credit reports to make sure the debt isn't attached to your credit record.

Brad Stroh, co-CEO of Bills.com, pointed me to this helpful FTC web page, telling us what debt collectors can and can't do, legally. He also says that invalid claims are best fought in writing, and that you have 30 days of when you are first informed of the debt to do so. (I'm probably too late on that one.) Keep a record of all correspondence, he says. You can also write to formally request they cease and desist from contacting you at all, though this does not eliminate any debt you actually owe. Finally, Stroh says that if a debt collector is breaking the law, they can be reported to the FTC and your state's Attorney General's office. (The above FTC page has more information on that front.)

I asked Sallie Mae's public relations officials what the story was with all of this, and they said that such cases are "extremely rare," and that I was doing the right thing by telling the company they had the wrong guy. They also promised to get my numbers removed from their calling list. While I was responding in email with those digits, Sallie Mae called again. Twice.

Sigh.

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  • 46 Posted by jubilee-life@att.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:43PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have A collector looking for A woman I do not know and her ex even called but stopped after I ask if he was A business and even this gals parents sent me A text. So I us it only for emergencies since in my cause it is a costly cell phone.

  • 47 Posted by amerluzziiii on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:52PM EDT Report Abuse

    Try having the same name as your father and he doesn't like to pay anyone. I've had to clean my credit report 3 times and am currently trying to remove 5 liens from my house. It's impossible. Everyone understand but none are willing to do anything. It's all up to me. Not a fun experience and do not wi----- on my worst enemy.

  • 48 Posted by omniterrum on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:45PM EDT Report Abuse

    I am going through a similar situation. I shipped a box via UPS to a friend in Germany, marked to be paid by receiver (he has a commercial UPS acct). Well...the local UPS didn't know how to charge it to an oversea account, opened instead an account in my name and charged $75 to me. I called Ups, they billed it then correctly to Germany and I thought everything is ok. This was last October..... Now, since January 21st, I have a collecting agency call me, telling me I owe $75 to UPS. I explained to them the situation and that it's an error, they told me to call UPS. UPS then told me to call the coll. agency, since they have "the file" now. The agency wanted me to fax them something in writing. I did...3 times within 3 weeks, since there's always a new person from the agency calling me. It's the same thing every time. I explain everything, they say they have not received a fax, I fax again....All this over $75 I don't owe! It must cost much more by now to call me all the time. Sure, I could just send them $75 that I don't owe, but it is the principle. I don't want to loose my flawless and outstanding credit over an amount worth a tank of gas, but I also don't want to pay for something I don't owe. No one at the collecting agency or UPS seems to know what to do or believe me....so what do I do? Has anyone been in this situation? How was it solved?

  • 49 Posted by rhmim2 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:38PM EDT Report Abuse

    Providian, and First USA have been rated as two of the worst companies to do business with. First USA has been named in a class action lawsuit in the past. CAPITAL ONE AUTO FINANCE also harasses people who never have, do not, and never will have auto loans. I get calls from them every 3-5 minutes throughout the day. This has been going on for over four months. They are looking for a comepletly different name. Can these companies spell "lawsuit"? That is my next step.

  • 50 Posted by annaostendorf on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:55PM EDT Report Abuse

    A similar thing happened to me only the person who actually owed the debt didn't even have the same name as I do... they just happened to have my phone number at one time. I had the same conversation with the same guy several times in which I told him I was not Jamie, no one at my number was named Jamie, no one named Jamie had EVER been at my number in the 2.5 years that I'd had it and I didn't even KNOW anyone named Jamie. Once he asked me, "Well do you know a better number for me to reach Jamie?" I finally got call forwarding set up and had any phone calls coming from that number redirected back to themselves. That seemed to fix it.

  • 51 Posted by larrydturner@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:56PM EDT Report Abuse

    The problem with call blocking and provacy manager is the collectors and telemarketers are blocking or faking their numbers. I get calls from 0000000000 and the name is 0000000000. Also from 602000000 and"----------" with "Unknown" or double unknown. I am real close to getting rid of the home phone. But in the interim, I use "priority ring" and list the 10 numbers (wife,parents,children) who I want to speak with. I don't have an answering machine or voicemail at home. We all have cell phones, so this is the preferred contact method. If I get one more call for John P. Amory after I have told them 10 times "wrong number" I think I will scream!

  • 52 Posted by kmdl3243 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:52PM EDT Report Abuse

    Well, I work as a collector. I would bet that mistaken ID is a result of errors in databases that we look through: Sometimes SS#s are transposed, sometimes phone #s are. Of course, we wouldn't be looking people up if they didn't skip. When I get someone who says "I've had this number for 3 years and I keep getting calls for John Doe," I apologize and take the number out of the file. There are collectors and there are collectors; we follow the FDCPA to the letter, some bottom-feeders don't. BTW, there are agencies that buy up debts that are beyond the statute of limitations or even PAID and try to collect them AGAIN, so beware. Moral: Keep good records of your transactions!

  • 53 Posted by quiero_too on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:24PM EDT Report Abuse

    I recently had a situation where a guy with a very similar name became mixed with me on my credit report. What a major mess it was trying to fix that. My Credit Report showed my information along with this other guys information. All the sudden I had 2 SSNs, multiple bad debits and a Federal Tax Lien. I ended up having to get a lawyer we filed a Not The Same Person Affidavit and sent letters to the big 3 Credit Reporting Bureaus. The problem now is that while my Credit Report looks clear, my information my be mixed in on this other guys Credit Report. The Mix had to happen at one of the Credit Bureaus. According to the Credit Reporting Bureaus they are not allowed to check this other guys report to verify if my information appears. I called all the goverment agencies and no one could offer any help. The only way I can really be sure the situation is truly resolved would be to track down the other guy and have him request his credit report. Since this other guy is such a dead beat there is little chance of any one ever finding him so I need to watch my credit reports several times a year.

  • 54 Posted by o_dilloway on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:47PM EDT Report Abuse

    I had a debt collector calling us for my brother in law. He talked to my MIl and insulted her, saying that if she were a better mother she would have raised a son who repaid his debt. Anyway, he called us even after we told him this was the wrong number, so we reported teh company to the attorney general, who actually investigated! The company denied making the calls. But we never heard from them again.

  • 55 Posted by landtechgis on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:56PM EDT Report Abuse

    As mentioned above, get the company name address, and contact. Then start writing. You tell them in writing that they MUST provide the ENTIRE history of the debt, from its inception, beginning with the first debt-holder. These obligations are often sold to others or to debt collecting bottom-feeders. Further, you tell them in no uncertain terms that you do not owe this debt, and are not responsible for it in any way, and they must prove in writing that you DO owe the debt. Let them know that if they cannot prove that it is you, and/or that they cannot provide a COMPLETE history of the debt, that they must cease and desist in contacting you about the debt. If they report the debt in such a way that it affects your credit report, you have recourse in that you can sue them for $1000. State in no uncertain terms that you will probably take them to small claims court at any rate to sue them on the basis of harrassment. IF by any chance, this continues, and particularly if you are sent any written correspondece regarding said debt, BE SURE to save all such correspondence, including all correspondence that YOU have initiated. You will need all this correspondence when you do take them to small claims court. DO NOT ever say anything that would lead the collector to believe that you would pay ant amount whatsoever. Finally, if you should EVER receive a summons to court, SHOW UP, and bring with you ALL documentation. You have the goods to make the case and they will end up with the court costs, and with egg on their faces with the court that they sue you in. It WILL put them in bad stead against anyone who fights their collection effort. It is VERY important to show up in court if you are sued, because if you do not, the debt will be assumed as real, and a judgement will be made against you, and added to your credit report. Do not be afraid of these people. meet them head on and inform them of the recourse that you have to stop them in their tracks, but do this in writing. I have learned to not let these kind of people intimidate me, and I have had a peaceful life evr since.

  • 56 Posted by molenczuk on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:24PM EDT Report Abuse

    I was getting calls for over two years for the guy who previously rented the house I now live in. We tried everything to put a stop to it. Finally, we told them that we heard the guy had died and that pretty much stopped the calls.

  • 58 Posted by sbcovener on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:06PM EDT Report Abuse

    The solution to stop the calling is to play their game and just start calling them every 10 minutes on thier toll free number saying you're waiting for a call back.

  • 60 Posted by tammsmu on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:55PM EDT Report Abuse

    There are legal options. If the harassment is particularly severe contact a lawyer. Most fair debt collection laws have statutory damages and attorney's fees provisions to get lawyers to take these cases. They're not that difficult to prove if you document everything.

  • 61 Posted by shams8 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:16PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have had this experience too. Some guy in Texas was not paying and they were calling me here in DC area. They wanted my social security number. NEVER GIVE THAT OUT. ASk them to read what they have and you can confrim or deny. they call at odd times. When them that I am going on FTC website and reporting them. And also told them that they are harrassing me and I will report them authorities, they stopped. Do not get into a shouting match. They are wiinning at that time as you may give out some information that you may regret later on.

  • 62 Posted by whysodumb@att.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:45PM EDT Report Abuse

    I too have been called at least 20 times in the last six months. I have been getting the names and addresses of the firms but only one would give me the phone number. I now refuse to talk to any of them until they give me their information. I then let them know that I am the wrong person and want no further calls from their firm and follow-up with a letter stating the same thing. It is slowing it down but not stopping it. One company in is Canada so to sue for harrassment I was told I had to take them to The World Court, not a court in the United States. Being on the DO NOT CALL and OPTOUT lists does not help. Some are very rude. Others pretend to be an old friend. I told the last one that called "I hope you lie to your children about how you make you living." I have asked that they send things to me in writing but nobody will do that. I know more about the person they are really after than I should. I have even been given the social security number and date of birth of this person. These firms do not care how much personal information they give out to the general public as long as they think they can get their cut of the money collected. PJB

  • 63 Posted by camphikefish on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:17PM EDT Report Abuse

    1. With the phone calls, I tell the person to remove the PHONE NUMBER from their list. If I say I am not the person they are trying to reach and take the number off the list, they come back with, "Well you are not authorized to tell us to stop calling." Duh, you are calling the wrong number. I just say take this phone number off of your list. 2. I have had collection agencies call me and have asked for more information. They have absolutely REFUSED to give me the company's legal name, the company's address, a phone number to call back, a fax number, a manager, a supervisor, and refused to tell me what state they are based in! With no way to contact them, or send them something in writing, how am I suppose to dispute this alleged debt?? (Their number comes up private or unavailable. They do not leave numbers to call back to. Nothing comes in the mail.) Suggestions?? 3. Another challenging one...a store cashed my check back in 1996. This is 12 years ago. They messed up their records and sent me to collections for bouncing a check. This has gone from one collection agency to another for the last 12 years. I have sent proof to each collection that it is NOT a valid debt. They return it to the company. The company sends it on to another collection agency. I have called the company direct. Surprise - no one speaks English as a first language and they can never understand what I am saying. Twelve years! Twelve years of sending certified return receipt letter, to collection agency after collection agency. The company won't stop trying to collect on an invalid debt. Suggestions? 4. Never verify your personal information to a debt collector. I made the mistake of doing that once. They changed their records to reflect MY information and continued to come after me for someone else's debt. I always tell them that they need to send me verification of the person's identity and debt. Once I receive it, I will respond. I prefer email - again, not verifying personal information. Once they have your physical address, they can show up in person, etc.

  • 64 Posted by walter.emily on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:40PM EDT Report Abuse

    What about those of us who are being hounded for someone else's debt, just because the collection agency is relying on OLD contact information. After two years, I continue to get collection calls for the person who once had the telephone number I have today. I often have messages on my answering machine to return collection agency calls, and its not a toll free number, either. Until I have told the collection company not to call, it is my understanding that the no call rules do not apply. I used to keep a log of these calls so I could forward it the the state attorney general complaint site, but often I get disconnected when asking the name of the agency and the callers' name and certainly hung-up on if asking for their supervisor. Ignoring the voice messages does not work because the collectors continue to call until I contact them requesting removal of my phone number. I have even had collectors rudely insist that I do know the person they are calling about because my phone number is listed as this indebted person's contact. Even more strange, I have gotten calls from collectors wanting me to take a message to a neighbor. STRANGE! STRANGE!

  • 65 Posted by futurevizions on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:04PM EDT Report Abuse

    I had a problem like this with my first credit card from Chase. I used it only twice, to rent a car and buy dinner. My limit was $200, and I spent $150 for the car and $7 for the meal. Within 2 weeks, I made a payment of $50. 2 weeks later, I received a call informing me that I owed over $300! I knew it was wrong, I owed less than $130 with the highest possible interest rate. So I made a payment of $130 and considered the card paid off. So imagine my anger when a week later, I got a call saying I owed over $1000!! I told the woman I spoke to that I had paid the card off, and I had the canceled checks and receipts to prove it. BUT THEY KEPT CALLING ME, each time saying I owed MORE money! Finally, I had the attorney I work for send them a cease and desist letter. A collector called his office, and I answered. When I told him that he'd have to speak to my attorney, he became abusive, and I hung up. He called my CELL back, and left a voicemail saying, "THERE'S NO ----- NUMBER ON THE LETTERHEAD!" Well, considering he'd just called my attorney, he was obviously lying. And he swore at me. So my attorney sent another letter to Chase, informing them that we had their collector recorded using abusive language. Their legal department contacted him, and offered me $200 to not file a complaint with the FTC. The moral of the story? RECORD EVERY CONTACT YOU HAVE WITH COLLECTORS, and get a good lawyer! They may end up paying YOU!

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