When Debt Collectors Attack the Wrong Guy

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Twice in the last six months I've found myself on the receiving end of a barrage of repeated, angry calls from debt collectors. First, Providian insisted I pay them back over $3,000 in credit card fees. Now, Sallie Mae wants my student loan repaid immediately. The only problem: I have never had a Providian credit card, nor have I ever had a loan from Sallie Mae.

I know it isn't a fun job to try to track down money you're owed: Writers like me have to play debt collector all the time when magazines "lose" our invoices, when companies change hands, and when nefarious publishers just suddenly decide not to pay.

But I'm not so stupid to call the wrong magazine to collect what I'm owed. Alas, that's what I've been dealing with for weeks: A call comes in asking to talk to me about my student loan. I say I don't have a student loan. We go back and forth, establishing that I don't have the same Social Security Number or date of birth as the offending person, but apparently they live in San Francisco now, so of course it must be me. It always ends with them promising not to call me any more. Then they call back a few days later and we start all over. The collectors just refuse to believe that someone else might possibly have the same name as me. I can't imagine what John Smith must go through.

Lately they have started calling my cell phone, which I think they got off my answering machine message when I didn't pick up the phone once. Now they call both numbers. I will speak to the same woman within minutes of each call, and she'll have no recollection that we just had an identical conversation. It's maddening.

I asked experts how to deal with a situation like this and the advice was useful and handy.

Gerri Detweiler, co-author of Stop Debt Collectors Cold, said to 1) make sure to get the debt collector's name, address, and phone number in writing, 2) request written verification of the debt (whether you are the right person or not), and 3) check credit reports to make sure the debt isn't attached to your credit record.

Brad Stroh, co-CEO of Bills.com, pointed me to this helpful FTC web page, telling us what debt collectors can and can't do, legally. He also says that invalid claims are best fought in writing, and that you have 30 days of when you are first informed of the debt to do so. (I'm probably too late on that one.) Keep a record of all correspondence, he says. You can also write to formally request they cease and desist from contacting you at all, though this does not eliminate any debt you actually owe. Finally, Stroh says that if a debt collector is breaking the law, they can be reported to the FTC and your state's Attorney General's office. (The above FTC page has more information on that front.)

I asked Sallie Mae's public relations officials what the story was with all of this, and they said that such cases are "extremely rare," and that I was doing the right thing by telling the company they had the wrong guy. They also promised to get my numbers removed from their calling list. While I was responding in email with those digits, Sallie Mae called again. Twice.

Sigh.

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  • 66 Posted by futurevizions on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:04PM EDT Report Abuse

    I had a problem like this with my first credit card from Chase. I used it only twice, to rent a car and buy dinner. My limit was $200, and I spent $150 for the car and $7 for the meal. Within 2 weeks, I made a payment of $50. 2 weeks later, I received a call informing me that I owed over $300! I knew it was wrong, I owed less than $130 with the highest possible interest rate. So I made a payment of $130 and considered the card paid off. So imagine my anger when a week later, I got a call saying I owed over $1000!! I told the woman I spoke to that I had paid the card off, and I had the canceled checks and receipts to prove it. BUT THEY KEPT CALLING ME, each time saying I owed MORE money! Finally, I had the attorney I work for send them a cease and desist letter. A collector called his office, and I answered. When I told him that he'd have to speak to my attorney, he became abusive, and I hung up. He called my CELL back, and left a voicemail saying, "THERE'S NO ----- NUMBER ON THE LETTERHEAD!" Well, considering he'd just called my attorney, he was obviously lying. And he swore at me. So my attorney sent another letter to Chase, informing them that we had their collector recorded using abusive language. Their legal department contacted him, and offered me $200 to not file a complaint with the FTC. The moral of the story? RECORD EVERY CONTACT YOU HAVE WITH COLLECTORS, and get a good lawyer! They may end up paying YOU!

  • 67 Posted by rmerrn on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:44PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have same name 1st and last, but diff. middle name as someone the collectors are after. I've been through 3 or 4 diff. agencies now. It's like I convince one, and they turn it in as uncollectable and a new company takes it up and the calls start again. For a car loan of like $6,000. But I don't even have that brand of car and it was bought in a neighbor state. We should all get together and each of us call these goofballs 100x a day.

  • 68 Posted by lagriffin822 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:55PM EDT Report Abuse

    I once got a call from a debt collector who asked for me by my maiden name. She said she was calling about my past-due credit card account. I said I didn't have a past due credit card account, and she responded with "How do you know?" I laughed so hard I nearly fell out of my seat. I told her that had to be the stupidest question I ever heard! How do I know? Because I don't have a split personality, or an evil other who takes over and does things I don't know about. I can account for all my hours and I am aware of what I am doing all of the time. Then I asked her, did SHE have a past due credit card? How did she know? I never heard from her again. When another representative called for the same thing, I told her this was the second call, give me some info here, what was going on? After confirming it wasn't me, I never heard from them again.

  • 69 Posted by w.h.glover@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:38PM EDT Report Abuse

    My wife and I have been struggling with a similar situation for over a year. Apparently, some one in Las Vegas, with a name similar to my wife's, skipped out on a Sprint bill a number of years ago. Sprint turned it over to a collector who has decided that my wife is the culprit...even though she has never even been to Las Vegas. She attempted to explain this to them, along with the fact that she has lived and worked in Ohio her entire life. But they really didn't want to hear it. We provided documentation...including tax returns, an Identity Theft report to our local police, and Identity Theft report with the Ohio Attorney General...all to no avail. They continue to call and demand payment. According to the local police, this is fairly common. Apparently, in many instances, the victim gets so frustrated with the ongoing harassment, that they simply pay the false debt...and the collector looks like a champ.

  • 70 Posted by rockford33usa on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:47PM EDT Report Abuse

    Correction - I said Sprint, I meant MCI. DO NOT deal with these guys, they literally steal.

  • 71 Posted by crlygrlnyc on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:31PM EDT Report Abuse

    The best part of this mess is when you've convinced one collection company that you are innocent and they sell the debt to another company. THESE COMPANIES LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING, including that your name has been cleared. I have endured the same trials for several years over a college roommate (I'm now 26 for God's sake) who took a piece of mail addressed to me to get a Mac laptop on credit. Mine has been a case of identity fraud, as opposed to just the wrong guy. They started calling me when (lo and behold) she made no payments and I was no longer living with her. I think possibly the only thing more stressful than being hunted down like a murderous dog over a valid debt is being treated the same when you have NO such debt. They don't believe you, there's little you can do to prove them wrong, and your credit will disintegrate before your bill-paying, low-balance holding, fiscally responsible citizen eyes. THIS CYCLE IS CRIMINAL, and the collectors need to be held responsible for the emotional and financial distress they inflict.

  • 72 Posted by werbemom on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:43PM EDT Report Abuse

    I wanted to share this information in case it can help someone out. I was getting calls for someone that I knew. The calls were from Pencro Associates. The calls went on for about a month. On weekends even. They were as early as 8am til 9pm. I told them that they had the wrong number. They kept calling and I told them that I was not her and they needed to stop. They actually talked to the person at a different number over 300 miles from me and still called me again. Funny thing was I was on the other line with her that time they called me. I called a cousin that has worked in collections for years and this is what I was told to do. It is illegal for them to harass you even if it is your debt. If you say to not call they are not supposed to anymore. Tell them not to call back if they do I will have my attorney call them. Then send a letter to the company as well. It worked! Sad thing is about a year later another company started to call about the same thing. I forgot to mention she found out the debt and it was from about 16 years ago. I told them the same thing about lawyer the second call and never heard back. Good Luck

  • 73 Posted by michelle_r_1979 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:18PM EDT Report Abuse

    Even more absurd...I had a debt collector call me for a neighbor who had moved away. They knew I wasn't the person but I was listed in the phone book as being right next door. I complained to BBB but what good did it do? Nothing, and the debt collector didn't care, they just kept saying, "Well all you have to do is take the phone over there and let me talk to them." Ha! This went on for 3 months until I changed my number. Next time though...I made sure it was unlisted.

  • 74 Posted by onesovereignangel on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:45PM EDT Report Abuse

    This information is for "EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY AND CANNOT BE DEEMED TO BE OR CONSTRUED OR MIS-CONSTRUED TO BE LEGAL ADVICE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM!" Point ONE: Read and study the 'Uniform Commerce Code' and 'The Law at Contracts' (Law OF Contracts to some) to familiarize yourself with the LAW First! Point TWO: Keep records of every detail, recordings of every conversation, being sure to inform ALL parties of such recordings, Get DETAILS from Each and EVERY person, Company, Telephone Callers included, Official TITLES and I.D. Numbers, and make certified, notarized copies of any document YOU generate in dealing with the matter. Point THREE: Even though you might detest the trade, or even the practicioners of LAW, RETAIN COMPETENT LEGAL COUNSEL! and CONSULT with Him or Her in all matters related to the false complaint! Point FOUR: As with most of the other comments on this issue, Get your OWN COPY of your cretit report! Never rely on any third party documents, and NEVER use a third party cretit reporting service, who only charge you for doing the same thing you would have to do in order to get YOUR report... Not to mention t Upon beginning to apply any TIME to or in dealing with any person, correspondence, records or forms, and everything you do, including making of detailed NOTES and a LOG of all FACTS you discover. Point FOUR: Inform every person that you will be 'Invoicing' them for the TIME used in dealing with the matter and have every invoice certified and Notarized before submitting (Make and keep at least ONE additional Cert. & Notzd. copy for your records) Each time you apply TIME to the mater repeat the process, including the time it takes to make such reports, invoices, mailings, etc... in your calculations. Each time you submit an invoice, to anyone, if they fail to pay it, begin a formal process of debt collection of your own using the processes described in the 'Uniform Commerce Codes' and the 'Law at Contracts' to collect the amounts unpaid by those who are unlawfully claiming YOU owe THEM! One the other side of the COIN... Use the UCC processes described therein to 'REBUT' their claims... USUALLY, within TWO or THREE days, the offending parties realize that they have NO LEGAL STANDING, for they have failed to follow the processes defined under the UCC! Immediately after they acknowledge their mistake, submit a demand for payment, plus cost of litigation and damages up to the full amount described under the UCC using the processes described therein. After going through this process ONCE, you will find it almost a breeze to STOP debt collectors and other financial pests quite quickly... ONE WORD of WARNING! You had BETTER be the WRONG person! If you're NOT and the courts find that you ARE the RIGHT person... YOU are the one who will be $kR@W@d! You can also include your communications expenses from your cell phone, home phone, faxing expenses, if you can show a RECORD of USE....

  • 75 Posted by bwfay on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:15PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have dealt a little bit with debt collections for the company that I work for. Any debt collector must provide proof of the underlying debt if you ask for it. If you think its not yours, that would be the first thing that I would do.

  • 76 Posted by darlynn50 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:36PM EDT Report Abuse

    Yesterday I got a phone call at my home in NC from Alliance One regarding an outstanding balance due Victoria Secret from 6 years ago. That's SIX YEARS ago!!! And this is the first time anyone has tried to contact me. VS had my address and phone number. They had the right social security number but somehow, sometime they changed my address listing the wrong town. I have asked Alliance One, since they are the collector, to prove to me that it was my debt and I was told I had to contact VS, but in the meantime, should pay the bill. Now, I'm not stupid enough to pay any bill without knowing what it's for. And I have been in touch with VS in the past and there was no mention of any outstanding debt. And the last time I had paid my balance in full in 2002, I had lived at the correct billing address for 3 years, so statements had been coming there. Alliance One stated it must have been an error on VS's part and I should pay the bill anyway. Again, I asked for proof that it was my debt and around we went again. How do I know it was something I ordered and got, if the address was incorrect. I have no recollection of having ordered anything. Maybe along with changing the town on my statement, VS put someone else's charge on my account too. I don't know and I want proof that it is my debt. Then I talked to a supervisor, who gave me the same run around. And regardless of what I said, the only thing collection agencies care about is collecting. They don't care to help resolve any issues. After all, they get paid their percentage of collections, not resolutions. I told them I was disputing the claim and they gave me an address to write a letter stating that, but said they would not list that the claim was being disputed until they received the letter. That means, they have put the debt on my credit report and it will sit there until they get the letter, and then they will show on the credit report that it is being disputed. Argh, it totally raises my blood pressure. By the time I got off the phone, I could have screamed. I have worked very hard to keep my credit debt-free since 1999. And I mean completely debt-free--no mortgage, no car payment, no credit card debt, nothing. I have moved three times since 2006, but prior to that I never heard from VS about any debt. I pull a credit report once a year to see if there is anything suspicious on it. Nothing from VS. So, I do totally understand your frustration. Collection agencies believe you owe and there is nothing they will listen to, even if you can prove it's not you or your debt. It's very, very frustrating, to say the least! Did you know that any debt has to be removed from your credit report if it's 7 years or older? Be careful though. Some companies and collection agencies update the debt date, so it appears like a new debt, so they can extend the collection process for another 7 years. If they do that and you prove it, they can be fined by the FTC for doing it.

  • 77 Posted by snickerpoo2001 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:30PM EDT Report Abuse

    i worked for a debt collectin company in llinois, you would be supprised and amazed at the atories people tell to get out of paying a debt, and yes at times info is wrong and its also the debt collectors job to verify they have the correct person before discussing personal info. a good debt collector is not rude and can get the job done if they know how to talk to the debtor.also fyi, calling a cell phone is againt the law unless permission is givin, you as a collector can not make the dbtor incur phone charges to collect their debt.

  • 78 Posted by cy38104 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:33PM EDT Report Abuse

    Tamika Jenkins of Tennessee - stop using my phone number. I'm tired of getting your calls. And pay your bills - you deadbeat!

  • 79 Posted by ontayjohnson on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:45PM EDT Report Abuse

    THIS ARTICLE IS A JOKE. Its not even that serious. His name is Christopher and although his last name isn't Johnson, it isn't foreign either. I work at a Law firm/Collection Agency and we call the wrong people all the time. If your name isn't that unusual it happens. The minute someone says they don't know what Im talking about I verify the social and if it doesn't match then I enter a macro for wrong number. Sometimes the computer automatically brings them back but usally they don't. Rarely does it happen over and over unless Michelle Smith says she doesn't owe and hangs up instead of proving it, because people lie. Have them give you the last 4 of your social and if it doesn't match they have the wrong number. If it does then you probably want to talk to them to figure out if identity theft is involved. Too many times do I meet people who keep hanging up or won't verify the last 4 of their social, but they want us to stop calling. Quit being paranoid!!I can't figure out your whole social from the last 4 digits!!! Plus if I wanted to its too traceable. But people hang up in your face--which people who do owe do. They say it isn't me but don't want to help you conclude it isn't them because people who do owe say that too. People just have to be smart and not overreact to collection calls. Help the collector see that its the wrong number. Don't be condescending, don't be rude or paranoid just be cool and 9 times out of ten that will be it.

  • 80 Posted by sarahsmith1366 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:04PM EDT Report Abuse

    read the law...not what lawyers in commercials tell you, but the actual law...i can still call you even if you have verbally told me not to (unless you send something to me in writing) between 8am and 9pm...i can call your family, your neighbors, your friends, anyone who you have associated with that i can find...by law i can call and ask them for information about you...i'm not a bad person, i'm just doing my job...but i admit to taking great pleasure in dealing with deadbeats who think they are going to tell me how it goes becuase they googled something on the internet...know the law before you look like a fool

  • 81 Posted by xbmichael on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:51PM EDT Report Abuse

    I used to be a debt collector for a global bank, and this was not an uncommon occurrence. Normally, it was due to a case of an unreachable person and a guessing game with phone numbers. A potential number could be pulled from a credit bureau report or found online by searching any number of databases, like whitepages.com. Once the number’s plugged in, automatic dialers go to work and hardcore collectors are unleashed. They might not believe your protest or just be too lazy or mad that day to go the extra mile and take out your number. You, my friend, are then trapped in the Matrix of collection calls until a kind soul deletes your number.

  • 82 Posted by onesovereignangel on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:45PM EDT Report Abuse

    Continued from Post #80 I notice that there was a clipped sentence at... Not to mention t... to continue... Not to mention the additional secutity risk of adding your personal data to another national database for hackers to get into and steal YOUR personal data, too! and to add further... http://famguardian.org and http://sedm.org/ are the websites to see for ALL your legal needs with regarding the U.C.C and Contract Law! Protecting your credit rating is important if you have to deal with the 'SYSTEM', and the 'U.C.C.' and 'Contracts at Law' are your keys to the 'LEGAL KINGDOM'. Use them to insure your protection from unscrupulous collection agencies, Government agencies, Banks, Courts, in any arbitration, everywhere involving any commercial exchange, 'legal' claim, and just about anywhere you are threatened with fines, penalties, loss of "RIGHTS" and more... If you would like a list of resources, contact me at onesovereignangel at yahoo dot com and tell me about your issue and I will send you a list of resources to help you fight these types of crooks and any other cheats, liars, embezzelers, theives, rogues and pirates... Is anyone bothering you against your will?!? Regards and good luck!

  • 83 Posted by rockford33usa on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:47PM EDT Report Abuse

    Ah, sarahsmith... you would know more with your GED than a law school graduate! You can do very few of those things. You are flirting with serious civil liability if you contact associates of a debtor who have nothing to do with the debt. You do give good advice though: "Know the law before you look like a fool". You should have followed it.

  • 84 Posted by steph214ever on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:41PM EDT Report Abuse

    My personal favorite is the calls I get for my husband's ex-wife with her NEW MARRIED last name. No matter how many times I tell them she doesn't live her and she hasn't been married to MY HUSBAND for over 8 or 9 years...they don't seem to care. But they stop for awhile and I figure we are moving to a new state next month so they will go away again.

  • 85 Posted by debbie_websterfms on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:39PM EDT Report Abuse

    Gotta agree with you rockford33! I worked as a debt collector for 8 1/2 years, I just quit three weeks ago so I'm still up on the laws. Collectors haven't been allowed to do what sarahsmith describes since the 70's! It was my experience that most people who fall behind are not "deadbeats" as some on here have described. Most people have unexpected circumstances that cause them to become delinquent. Like a traumatic illness, job loss, a natural disaster or the loss of a spouse. Most major banks will work with your circumstances if you just talk to them, the key is not to let the debt charge off. The MAXIMUM a bank will hold your debt before they have to charge it off is six months. They don't have to wait that long and once it charges off sarahsmith is gonna start calling because they will sell your debt to an agency for pennies on the dollar and unfortunately many debt collections agencies have no interest in following legal collection practices. Sarahsmith I'm gonna go out on a limb and chalk your ignorance up to youth and inexperience. I'd change my attitude if I were you or else you'll soon find that karma is such a b****!

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