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Twice in the last six months I've found myself on the receiving end of a barrage of repeated, angry calls from debt collectors. First, Providian insisted I pay them back over $3,000 in credit card fees. Now, Sallie Mae wants my student loan repaid immediately. The only problem: I have never had a Providian credit card, nor have I ever had a loan from Sallie Mae.
I know it isn't a fun job to try to track down money you're owed: Writers like me have to play debt collector all the time when magazines "lose" our invoices, when companies change hands, and when nefarious publishers just suddenly decide not to pay.
But I'm not so stupid to call the wrong magazine to collect what I'm owed. Alas, that's what I've been dealing with for weeks: A call comes in asking to talk to me about my student loan. I say I don't have a student loan. We go back and forth, establishing that I don't have the same Social Security Number or date of birth as the offending person, but apparently they live in San Francisco now, so of course it must be me. It always ends with them promising not to call me any more. Then they call back a few days later and we start all over. The collectors just refuse to believe that someone else might possibly have the same name as me. I can't imagine what John Smith must go through.
Lately they have started calling my cell phone, which I think they got off my answering machine message when I didn't pick up the phone once. Now they call both numbers. I will speak to the same woman within minutes of each call, and she'll have no recollection that we just had an identical conversation. It's maddening.
I asked experts how to deal with a situation like this and the advice was useful and handy.
Gerri Detweiler, co-author of Stop Debt Collectors Cold, said to 1) make sure to get the debt collector's name, address, and phone number in writing, 2) request written verification of the debt (whether you are the right person or not), and 3) check credit reports to make sure the debt isn't attached to your credit record.
Brad Stroh, co-CEO of Bills.com, pointed me to this helpful FTC web page, telling us what debt collectors can and can't do, legally. He also says that invalid claims are best fought in writing, and that you have 30 days of when you are first informed of the debt to do so. (I'm probably too late on that one.) Keep a record of all correspondence, he says. You can also write to formally request they cease and desist from contacting you at all, though this does not eliminate any debt you actually owe. Finally, Stroh says that if a debt collector is breaking the law, they can be reported to the FTC and your state's Attorney General's office. (The above FTC page has more information on that front.)
I asked Sallie Mae's public relations officials what the story was with all of this, and they said that such cases are "extremely rare," and that I was doing the right thing by telling the company they had the wrong guy. They also promised to get my numbers removed from their calling list. While I was responding in email with those digits, Sallie Mae called again. Twice.
Sigh.
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Most Debt companies will accept a letter of despute at anytime during the collection process.
I had illinois student loan co. call 4 yrs ago telling me I had a student loan I had never had one. I went around with them I ask them to send me a promisary note that they said I signed this never happened. I didn't hear from them again until last year. I asked again for them to send me anything that I had signed, they said they would never did. I am on disibility and in Nov. they started taking money out of my disibility I called SS and they told me they couldn't stop it I had to call illinois student loan which I have done 4 times a week they still will not send me anything and I cannot get them to stop taking money out of my check. I dont know what else to do. I cant really afford a lawyer but I did get some advice from one and I have done everything he has told me with no results.
I had a former roommate steal my indentity and run up many bills. I filed a police report and went through the process of telling all of the copies that she defrauded the problem and clearing the mess up. All but with a debt made to AT&T. I sent them copies of the police report and went through the process and was informed they would remove the debt from my credit report. NOPE! Instead they sold the debt. I went through the same process with the debt collector they sold the debt to. Who in turn sold the debt and on an on. Six years later I am still going through the process every 4 to 5 months with a new debt collector that gets sold this debt. I provide copies of ALLLLLL of the letters sent to all the previous collections agencies and to the orginal company, AT&T. Just went I get the peace of phone calls stopping another company starts the process. I am constantly fighting to keep this off of my credit report. So just because you go through the process the "right" way doesn't mean these dead beat collections agencies will leave you alone.
try dealing with capitol one.... we had purchased a vehichle through a company that was bought out by cap one after we refinanced and paid it off 3 yrs ago. to this day we have been getting calls, letters and its still on our report even after faxing them thier own pay off letter. they said the check bounced... hummm if it bounced then why aren't they after the other 15000.? don't deal with cap one. you don't want it in your wallet.
Always get details in writing. Submit a cease and desist letter to the offending company. Make sure that you send it certified mail return receipt requested. http://debtcreditlearningcenter.com/
I keep getting calls from Sallie Mae wanting my 6 year old grandchild to repay her student loan! She is now scared to come visit in case "the bad men come to take her away"! They actually got her on the phone once and threatened that! After a year (and complaints to the state AG, FTC, and Federal Prosecutor) my granddaughter is STILL getting calls at my house. Yes I have tried call blocking, "do not call" and even complaints. That stops them for a month or so then they start agian from another location.
Just use "Lifelock". Problem solved.
having gone through owing multiple companies and finally getting clear of a mountain of debt, and having been subject to the absolute harassment these companies throw out. (i had to change my phone number twice just so my voice mail box would stop filling up full everyday from automated, unknown calls), the best thing you can do is immediatly request to talk to their supervisor and do not give in till they put them on. dont bother explaining anything, just get the companys full contact information and demand for them to never contact you by phone again, and do so as well in writing after you hang up. If they continue to contact you, even once, document it, and you can easily file legal action against them.
This article was painfully simplistic; and only hints at the tip of the iceberg of identity theft. Ive been fighting my own case for years with no end in sight. Despite all the laws starting to get on the books, agencies can just ignore your letters and continue doing what they are doing. Complicated by the fact that erroneous debts can be bought and sold from collection agency to agency. I have resigned myself to never using debt again.
The article about the When Debt Collectors Attack the Wrong Guy is informative and give a solution for the different types problems ---------------- adamgilcrist Don't be a victim. Stop credit card debt now. We can help. http://www.stop-credit-card-debt.com
The article about the When Debt Collectors Attack the Wrong Guy is informative and give a solution for the different types problems ---------------- adamgilcrist Don't be a victim. Stop credit card debt now. We can help. http://www.stop-credit-card-debt.com
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My mom thinks that collection companies randomly just call everyone Just in hopes they get the borrowers to pay (no matter if you owe or not) with a self conscions kind of like bounty hunting random phone numbers harrassing everyone and I mean she said everyone. Obviously this is what is happening to me I am only 15!! And my phone is in my moms account and they checked her ss# full name address and it still contimues.
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86 Posted by onesovereignangel on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:45PM EDT Report Abuse
This information is for "EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY AND CANNOT BE DEEMED TO BE OR CONSTRUED OR MIS-CONSTRUED TO BE LEGAL ADVICE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM!" In response to Post #74 Posted by w.h.glover@sbcglobal.net on Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:40PM EST We provided documentation...including tax returns, an Identity Theft report to our local police, and Identity Theft report with the Ohio Attorney General...all to no avail. I would NEVER send ANY documents, personal tax returns, I.D. Cards, SSNs, SS Card Copies or any other doc TO any collection agency! THEY WILL ADD YOUR data to the collection file, making it a permenent part of the real person's records, which those real people can subpoena and thereby obtain YOUR data, which is an unwanted RISK of additional ABUSE of YOUR personal, yet UNRELATED, details. Also providing any data, records, or any governmental forms, to them is dangerous, in that, later, should it should fall into the possesion of the real debtor, say by the real debtor filing a motion for discovery, or for full disclosure, the real debtor can then claim that the debt is and was really YOURS AND belongs to YOU, because YOU voluntarily provided the data to the collection agency, (with the original intent of proving your innocense,) and the collection agency LATER, 'CONVERTED' your records, for their own unscrupulous porposes, by including them in the real debetors files/records as having been provided 'BY THE DEBTOR'! If THEY (The collection agency) wants any doccuments, tell them to get a subpoena issued from a LOCAL JUDGE, from a 'Court of Competent Jurisdiction' and you will submit them to said JUDGE! Go to court and submit a motion for discovery and ask for a subpoena of your own, as well as a warrant authorizing law enforcement to search and seize any evidence THEY have proving any alledged debt of YOURS! MOST OFTEN, the agency will drop the case and stop bothering you because their lawyers KNOW that if the agency is WRONG, they are subject to both CIVIL and CRIMINAL penalties for false accusations, violation of your privacy under the privacy act, as someone has released YOUR personal information to an UNAUTHORIZED third party! You can sue the party that released your information unlawfully for damages as well. In regard to providing TAX FORMS... NO ONE is ever legally authorized to require you to disclose your tax records EXCEPT the IRS, The COURTS, and CONGRESS! If anyone demands you provide any tax records, demand they provide the statuted at law allowing them to require r obtain such records... they WILL Stop! or they'll be subject to fines and/or imprisonment for making illegal and unlawfull demands with regards to 'Protected Records', Tax Records, The privacy Act, and several other LAW ACTS. You HAVE to STAND UP for yourselves people... the Government isn't going to do it for you... ESPECIALLY NOT when THEY get a piece of every PIE being served! http://famguardian.org & http://sedm.org