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Reader Mark asks: Should I make a complete backup of my hard drive to avoid the hassle and the time of reloading from OEM disks, in the event of a catastrophic failure? In addition to the obvious programs requiring reinstallation, how can I quickly reload the really technical stuff-like DSL settings and printer settings-that's been tweaked over the years to just how I like it? I am very interested to get your input as to what exactly to back up and the best way to back up that information. Thanks for your time.
That's a big question, Mark, and it requires a big answer. Looks like it's time for another primer on how to best back up your computer.
In the beginning of your question, you ask if you should back up system files and programs. All that data you didn't create takes up a lot of space, and getting it reinstalled properly can be difficult.
Ultimately, this decision comes down to personal preference. Do you feel comfortable about reinstalling Windows and your other programs on a bare hard drive? If you don't, then back up everything. Power users can forgo the full drive backup and just grab data files, typically the stuff that lives in your My Documents folder.
The easiest way to make a full backup is to "clone" your hard drive. Cloning gives you an identical copy of your drive as it exists right now. If your drive crashes, you can clone the backup drive onto a new drive, and it will be like nothing ever happened.
You'll need a drive dedicated to cloning and a little knowhow to use a cloning program, but it's a simple enough procedure for an intermediate user. If you use CloneZilla (a system I've mentioned before), you should also be able to add more backups to the clone, assuming there's enough room.
It makes sense for everyone to have a hard-drive clone, just in case. External drives are cheap, and this method is the easiest way to back up your files and get back up and running in a jiffy. Reinstalling Windows and other applications can be an all-weekend affair. After that, as Mark noted, comes the job of tweaking your system to get it just the way you like it, which can take weeks.
Let's say you've got your clone drive in hand, or you just want your data files and don't need a full backup. Now what?
Depending on the computer, I use two different approaches.
First, you can use a syncing program like GoodSync to make a daily or real-time backup. GoodSync is very fast, because it only copies new or changed files. So, you'll have an identical copy of your hard drive on the external drive, and you can update both whenever you like. You can also use GoodSync to copy files between two computers, allowing you to run two identical machines at once.
My second approach is to just use a regular backup program like Cobian Backup. It runs quickly, it doesn't require a lot of maintenance, and it's free. I use Cobian on systems that don't change a lot and when I don't need a full clone.
With a clone drive and one of the above backups, you're covered in the event of a hard-drive crash. But I also like to hedge my bets by making an online backup, in case of something catastrophic, like a fire at home. I use Mozy, and I only back up my data files. Backing up the entire hard drive online would take too long, and it wouldn't make sense, since I'd have to reinstall Windows to run the Mozy restore program, anyway.
The online backup is only a safety net. But it's a safety net I wouldn't want to go without.
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I have an HP System recovery disc. I also am backing up files to an external usb drive using the Norton 360 Backup. If needed I Think....this should get the computer up and running like normal. Yes?
My IT company keeps an offsite backup of our important information. For many years, we were using tape backups. We tried MozyPro, but could never get it to work properly.
I was a mozy user. It might be a good service for some, but not for me. The problem is that the low, all-you-can-upload price comes at a heavy, heavy performance cost. Based on my experience and that of others, performance is at its best when you first join and for a few weeks after that. From then on, you are competing with every bandwidth hog on the planet – from anime fans uploading their precious tv shows to movie collectors uploading every film they ever watched on the internet. In my situation, I’ve got some financial documents, some powerpoint presentations, my portfolio of work, images – not a huge amount of data. I was backing up about 40GB which took about a month to finally complete with Mozy despite the fact that I have 5Mbps upload on my FiOS connection. As a comparison, I now use www.filebackup.net which gives me the true 5Mbps upload (though I’m limited to 50GB of data total) With Mozy I was always backing up more data then I wanted to or thought it needed to, meaning more data than had changed since the last backup and combined with the slow mozy backup speeds my backups were failing all the time. It seemed I was in a neverending cycle of backup/fail/backup/fail. But probably the real reason I stopped using Mozy was that the restore process was totally ridiculous. To get my files back, I had to sign into their site and request the files I wanted to recover. It took more than 24 hours for them to have my files ready. Other people say it takes days. Then I had to download 100 dmg files, mount them one by one and copy my data back to where it was. This manual process took me the better part of a day. Now, with filebackup.net, I can recover backup files from within the backup application. It’s just a matter of pointing and clicking on the files I want to restore. I’m kind of a penny pincher but the ease of backup and restore combined with the filebackup’s ability to max out my bandwidth connection makes it worth few extra pennies in price.
For Windows XP, I've always just dragged/dropped my "My Documents" folder to my ext. drive every Sunday. This generally saved my bacon if there was a problem. Since switching to Mac, I've been using both Time Machine and the .Mac Backup software; each has it's own separate use. The Time Machine works great as a "background" backup solution and the .Mac Backup is great for doing quick backups of critical files onto a flash drive or off-site for iDisk. I do a daily Time Machine backup, daily Documents folder backup to iDisk, and a weekly Full Backup of my entire machine to another ext. drive. It may sound like a religious practice, but backing up is quite easy when you get in the habit of it. I'll admit that Time Machine is probably the biggest time-saver of all when it comes to backing up.
I use Acronis True Image with a 3 external hard drives. Why 3 drives? I rotate the drive every time I do a new full archive, in case I have a corrupted archive. I do full archives every 2 weeks, and do a daily incremental. The daily incrementals are scheduled at 6:30 AM, but if the computer is off the incremental will run on the next system boot. I have 27 years of systems administration experience, with 39 years of computer experience, mostly Unix, with a lot of DOS, Windows and Linux thrown in. Also a fair bit of time on main frames.
I was frustrated with backups for years. The main problem was that during a backup the computer would hit a snag: maybe a file in use or something else. Then everything stopped and I had to find out where I was in the backup, skip the problem file and restart the backup. I needed something that I could just start up and walk away from. The problem was solved by software called Second Copy. The software tried to copy something a few times when it hits a snag and then simply skips it. I love it.
I don't believe in Ghosting or cloning hard drives anymore. With windows new operating system there is no guarantee that it will work if you have to clone it back(It might if there is no hardware change on your computer). Moreover how many people have ever tried cloning it back to see if the initial cloning is good. How many people even check their daily backup to see if any of the files are recoverable? Almost none!!!!! I recommend that anyone with a backup tried it at least once a month. I believe in organizing and putting all your necessary data files in one area. Then using Mozy back it up on the internet. It does it automatically and warns you if you files are not backup for several days. I do not need the same computer to recover files. I could go on another computer then to Mozy website, login and choose the files I want to recover and do it. I could also see several old version of the same files just in case. I think Mozy is fantastic.
pauldanon, I just read this thread. If your "new" computer is IDENTICAL to the old one you can restore from a clone copy - if the restore works. If your new computer is different from the old one - no luck and no need to try. Clones work only on the exact same hardware. What the article suggests is the best method, but ONLY if you have the means and the time to prove to yourself that the restore really works.
It doesn't look like Clonezilla works for Mac users. Any suggestions for those of us who have waved goodbye to PCs?
Many thanks to eikelein. Looks like 100% cloning (though perhaps fine for recovery) is a long shot (for migration at least). What a drag. I've never had a smooth migration between work- or home-computers, less because of data-files than because of software. One should be able to port apps that one has paid for (settings and all) between machines, though I guess the software-publishers are already understandably worried by piracy. Maybe the answer will be remotely-delivered applications running on thin clients.
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I use PING for all my hard drive cloning needs. It's a linux based graphical interface program much like Nortons Ghost but free. Much easier to use than CloneZilla. Some knowledge of linux is helpful when using PING so it may be intimidating for some, give it a try it's nice and free. http://ping.windowsdream.com/
why not do it the easy way and set up a 2nd hard drive in raid 1, then you never have to do anything
Yes I agree with you, I also use software called Image for windows, it back up the partition on Cd's or dvds or other hard drive. I restore the partition in about thiry minutes.It is better to be safe than sorry. again I do agree with you, thank you Adnan Sallam Yahoo Answers
Honestly, if you have a mac, you should be using the "time machine" feature. This is an easy way to back up your data. Like with all features on Macs, it sets it up for you. Windows users, this would be a great time to make the switch. I just bought my first Mac (MacBook Air) and I couldn't be any happier to get away from the PC and Vista. I'm not trying to be a salesman, I'm just trying to show everyone "the light." When will you see the light?
www.foldershare.com, one of the bests solutions to sync different computers, free.
I assume a number of people have been using and upgrading programs long enough that the original programs will be out of date when they switch to Vista. To do a clean install, the original programs are needed to start the process so upgrade programs can be loaded. However, typically these programs won't work with Vista. Therefore hard disk clonning may be increasing more important in the future. For my small business I have now upgraded to Buffalo and Ghost with a gigabit LAN to support full backups.
Hey ja_rice, for us Mac users, there are a couple different options. Super Duper and Carbon Copy Clone are both excellent programs. I use both, and save to an external drive. Hope this helps other Mac users. Of course we Mac users have no need for backups. :)
I use a simple program called Handy Backup - easy to use, low cost and the support has been good (I needed a refresh when I moved to a new computer). I use it with both a USB disk and a mirrored disk. The acid test was a few months ago when my disk crashed. Restore worked like a breeze with a new disk installed (which is the acid test of all these backup schemes).
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6 Posted by iancarah on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:22PM EDT Report Abuse
For simple drive to drive cloning, I use DriveImage XML from Runtime.org (http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm). It runs natively in Windows w/o needing an alternate boot source and its free. But it only runs in Windows as it uses VSS (Volume Shadow Service).