Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:38AM EST
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With HD DVD officially dead (RIP February 19, 2008), cynics are beginning to wonder whether we're in for a long road of inflated Blu-ray equipment prices.
After all, Blu-ray began its life as the expensive high-def format and it remains so today, defying all expectations that consumers would naturally prefer the budget alternative format. But is it possible that Blu-ray prices might actually start to fall soon?
The conventional wisdom holds that Blu-ray no longer faces competition from HD DVD, so it will be better able to resist price pressure. Well, let's look at the facts: Months of HD DVD fire sales basically did nothing to trim Blu-ray prices so far. If the Blu-ray camp had been worried about being seen as too expensive, those price cuts should already have happened.
And besides, Blu-ray has never really competed with HD DVD.
Oh, sure, the two formats have struggled for dominance, but the real enemy has always been regular, standard-definition DVD. Executives have already been aiming their battle at the DVD world, where players can be had as cheaply as $30, so if price competition is really on Blu-ray developers' minds, we're going to have to see some far bigger cuts, far faster than we have before.
But most importantly by far, inter-format competition has historically been of little importance in price wars of the past. The original CD and DVD players cost thousands of dollars, but prices of both plummeted quickly as the technology to make them improved and overall sales have gone upward, even in the absence of a competing format. Without the distraction of HD DVD nibbling at its side, Blu-ray manufacturers should finally be able to focus on improving quality and decreasing prices instead of out-marketing and out-spending the competition on exclusive deals.
As well, with the format war over, more companies should now enter the market to produce Blu-ray gear and more consumers should sign up to buy said gear, further helping to depress prices as 2008 wears on.
The upshot is that, paradoxically, getting HD DVD out of the market could actually spur more innovation, increase production (as consumers finally get off the fence), and finally start pressuring down prices.
I could be wrong. This is a strange case where egos are involved, and Sony is so beat up by format wars of the past that it may be itching for a payoff this time around. Still, I'm still expecting big price cuts on Blu-ray for holiday 2008.
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Are you all blind or just not paying attention? In November 07, BR players were hovering around $500 on ebay (average) You can now snag a brand new one for a little under $300. For those of you who don't seem too impressed, you need to check the specs on the TV you're using to compare an upconverted standard DVD to a BR. Chances are, it isn't doing 1080p, there is a visible difference. Most flat panels under 40" only support up to 720p and use internal upconverting to 1080i. I've done my homework on this for the last 18 months trying to decide what TV to buy. Truth is, Americans are cheap ----- s that see price... almost no one looks at the specifications on the side panel or read the manual. And of those that do, less than half know what they're even reading... they just know they got a new tv!!!
I like to know I bought a HD sonya xbr TV and a blu-ray dvd with hdmi cable. Do I need to get component cable for more clearer or is it alright to keep the cables that is in with the TV. Lou, KY BD
I am waiting, it took me while before I got a dvd play and it will take me a while before i get blue ray. The PS3 does look better and better every time.
I owned an HD DVD player before hurrying back to exchange it for a blu-ray player once WB went blu-ray exclusive, and it's a shame that HD DVD lost because I feel that it did produce a higher quality product in terms of both image and audio playback. but i'm happy to see one format take over so stores will have more space to dedicate to blu ray movies which can often have been quite limited.
The PROBLEM is IT will NOT come down! This question should have been answered before rejecting HD DVD! Consumers need competition! And should control the market not the corporation! Having Sony CONTROL Blue Ray is like having the conservatives control the WH! Either you're with us or against us. No freedom of choice anymore, only the corporation and the SUPER RICH TELL YOU WHAT's good for you and they'll take care of you! Ya Right! HD is HD Blue Ray or NOT!
Blue-ray will come down, how fast and how much remain to be seen. So far I am satisfied with up-converting DVD with a Hi Def - 61" TV. Most movies are about story/acting and that doesn't get better with Blu ray. I'll convert to Blu-ray when prices for players get closer to prices for std. DVD. I mostly rent movies, but wouldn't pay double or triple for Hi Def DVD's. Would when they pack more "stuff" on the Blu Ray. I won't buy until they allow recording of Hi Def with off-air Hi Def tuners.
"Months of HD DVD fire sales basically did nothing to trim Blu-ray prices so far. If the Blu-ray camp had been worried about being seen as too expensive, those price cuts should already have happened." Blu-ray players started out at $1000 last fall and can now be had for about $300. I'd hardly call that a lack of price cuts. Blu-ray players have become more affordable in 1 year than DVD players did in 2. The prices haven't dropped as much in the last few months because everyone knew that the HD-DVD sales were a desperate attempt to clear out inventory, not a serious marketing push for the format. Toshiba could never maintain business selling players at a loss like that. HD-DVD was done for as soon as it became clear Blu-ray was still selling more discs per week even when there were no major releases and HD-DVD had Transformers. I'd bet the PS3 will be $300 by the end of the year and there'll be lower-end standalone Blu-ray players available for $200.
I've been reading all your posts and we as consumers all lose. we all have favorites but you ps3 owners are talking like mind-numbed robots, just how much is $ony paying you,just about everyone mentions ps3 don't you get it that's exactly what $ony wants! I own a sony home theater system and a toshiba HD-DVD and sound and look great! I have a friend who owns a ps3 and have seen no diffrence! HD-DVD really was never given a chance.Without competition we all lose!
I think that Blu-ray is probably just going to go the way of SACD and DVD-Audio. Even though these format sound much better than regular CDs the average joe isn't going to pay for the upgrade. Heck the average joe is listening over compressed crappy sounding mp3s! The DVD format looks and sounds just fine to most people and will continue to sell well until downloadable content, not the blu-ray, takes over. Blu-ray will stick around for a few years with some sales to rich people when it will die a quite death. I'll just be watching HD content over the satellite at the crappy resolution of 1080i vs.s 1080p, oh my!
I hate to start a fire here, but how many people out there are running up their credit cards and skipping out on mortgage payments to get one of these BR players?? I hope not the ones on tv complaining about gas prices, predatory credit card companies, and predatory mortgage collectors. The fact we even have discussions about Blu Ray disc players illustrates our incredible standard of living. I just don't understand the race that takes place to always have the "latest and greatest" of everything...
I too felt HD-DVD was better resolution. This is comparing BR to HD same movie same TV. Blockbuster rents both (online) so we compared. We have a PS3 and a HD-DVD hooked up with HDMI cables to same 65 inch 1080 TV. HD-DVD always looked better. BR just is not that good. Not much better than my other DVD player that does upscaling to hi-def. I am extremely price sensitive. I have zero plans to buy any movies that are blu-ray. The HD movies came dual format, so we can still play them anywhere there is a regular DVD player, and when we are near the only HD player we watch in hi-def. Blu-Ray has completely ignored this idea and only makes BR. No dual format, how lame. Until every player in my house is BR I cannot switch to BR only movies. and until these movies cost $5 that won't happen. We have 4 DVD players in the house. Also the BR players have to hit $60 for me to buy ANY. The PS3 will be our only player for several years it looks like. Until then we will stick to plain old DVDs and let Blockbuster online send us BR when they can. What a shame. Again the poorer technology wins.
I too felt HD-DVD was better resolution. This is comparing BR to HD same movie same TV. Blockbuster rents both (online) so we compared. We have a PS3 and a HD-DVD hooked up with HDMI cables to same 65 inch 1080 TV. HD-DVD always looked better. BR just is not that good. Not much better than my other DVD player that does upscaling to hi-def. I am extremely price sensitive. I have zero plans to buy any movies that are blu-ray. The HD movies came dual format, so we can still play them anywhere there is a regular DVD player, and when we are near the only HD player we watch in hi-def. Blu-Ray has completely ignored this idea and only makes BR. No dual format, how lame. Until every player in my house is BR I cannot switch to BR only movies. and until these movies cost $5 that won't happen. We have 4 DVD players in the house. Also the BR players have to hit $60 for me to buy ANY. The PS3 will be our only player for several years it looks like. Until then we will stick to plain old DVDs and let Blockbuster online send us BR when they can. What a shame. Again the poorer technology wins.
Unless they make dual players that can play blu-ray and standard dvd's like they do with players that can play vhs and dvd, consumers are not going to replace their entire video library AGAIN just because of yet another new format. Most people are having to worry about gas prices and rising grocery costs too much to do that. People shouldn't have the additional worry that they will also have to buy a new player when their old one works just fine, except it can't play new movies anymore because they're in a new format that requires a new player they can't afford. Not to mention a lot of people are having to replace their tv sets due to the digital conversion next year. That is going to put a big dent in their budgets as well. But hopefully the switch from standard dvd won't take place as quickly as the switch to them. When that happened it seemed like the full dvd shelves appeared overnight and the vhs shelves were relegated to a small clearance corner. We still have the vcr next to the dvd player because some movies are still hard to find in dvd.
PS3 QUESTION: Does the PS3 have an Optical Audio Output and if so, does it support 7.1 Audio? Does anybody really know the answer? Any drawbacks in opting to embrace blu-ray via PS3???
If air is going HD next year. How will seller explain buyers, "Everything is going HD but buy Blue-ray????" does it make sense?.... Therefore, I don't think HD can die
trinas365...why would Yahoo email ask for your Credit Card number? That is a free service. If they asked for mine, I would find another email service. If they asked for your credit card and then said you wouldn't be charged, then they didn't need it in the first place. Something fishy there methinks. Just my opinion.
Sony is just like Apple. They try to monopolize the tech industry. It is a miracle that they won the format war. The only legitimate thing BR had over HD was more storage. I think money exchanged hands with the Studios if you asked me. Sony is hurting. They are no longer a top player in the audio/video world and they couldn't afford to take another loss. Sony will milk this with high prices as long as they can. The format is progressing too slowly. The general consumer doesn't want to buy a $300-500 for a player get it home and find out that almost every new movie they just rented or bought will require them to hook their BR player up to the internet for a software download so they can play the new disc. Extremely long load times and chapter changes? "Sorry kids dad has to update the player before the show starts, why dont' you go take a bath while the movie loads?" Why should we pay top dollar for that? Most people don't even know how to adjust their tv to get the bennies that a BR player will give you. Sony is taking over the top marketing scam spot from Monster Cable and Bose.
About the question from ps3. The answer is yes if has a optical output and support a 7.1 audio.
I agree with Mark, I think there is no need for them to lower prices at this point, because it's out there now and people (young people) are going to buy it wether it is 15.00 or 30.00, They don't value the dollar as much as they value "the have to have it now syndrom." Kids today just want it now. They are willing to pay for it. I don't think a drop with accur until at the eariest Christmas 08, as that is when the pressure will be on the parents to buy it for kids as gifts. Even then I think it will be more like two to three years before BR come down much in price. I hope I am wrong, but just about the time you think your onto something new and better, you buy all the movies again, and they come out with somthing else that is not compatible and you have to start all over again. Look at the videos and then DVDs, They are supposed to be coming out with disks that are only two inches round in the near future that they have been looking at for years and just haven't done yet, as they are waiting on the market to accept it with all the compact and smaller versions of everything. (Boom boxes to IPODS, MP3) etc. Know what I mean? good luck
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46 Posted by mblaze1430 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:12PM EDT Report Abuse
I guess i will stop buying any videos at all!!!! Any way to make a buck, I guess is the name of the game, they can put them where the sun doesn't shine.