Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:38AM EST
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With HD DVD officially dead (RIP February 19, 2008), cynics are beginning to wonder whether we're in for a long road of inflated Blu-ray equipment prices.
After all, Blu-ray began its life as the expensive high-def format and it remains so today, defying all expectations that consumers would naturally prefer the budget alternative format. But is it possible that Blu-ray prices might actually start to fall soon?
The conventional wisdom holds that Blu-ray no longer faces competition from HD DVD, so it will be better able to resist price pressure. Well, let's look at the facts: Months of HD DVD fire sales basically did nothing to trim Blu-ray prices so far. If the Blu-ray camp had been worried about being seen as too expensive, those price cuts should already have happened.
And besides, Blu-ray has never really competed with HD DVD.
Oh, sure, the two formats have struggled for dominance, but the real enemy has always been regular, standard-definition DVD. Executives have already been aiming their battle at the DVD world, where players can be had as cheaply as $30, so if price competition is really on Blu-ray developers' minds, we're going to have to see some far bigger cuts, far faster than we have before.
But most importantly by far, inter-format competition has historically been of little importance in price wars of the past. The original CD and DVD players cost thousands of dollars, but prices of both plummeted quickly as the technology to make them improved and overall sales have gone upward, even in the absence of a competing format. Without the distraction of HD DVD nibbling at its side, Blu-ray manufacturers should finally be able to focus on improving quality and decreasing prices instead of out-marketing and out-spending the competition on exclusive deals.
As well, with the format war over, more companies should now enter the market to produce Blu-ray gear and more consumers should sign up to buy said gear, further helping to depress prices as 2008 wears on.
The upshot is that, paradoxically, getting HD DVD out of the market could actually spur more innovation, increase production (as consumers finally get off the fence), and finally start pressuring down prices.
I could be wrong. This is a strange case where egos are involved, and Sony is so beat up by format wars of the past that it may be itching for a payoff this time around. Still, I'm still expecting big price cuts on Blu-ray for holiday 2008.
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I'm not much of a techie so I guess I'm missing something here. I'm not crazy about all the Blu-Ray stuff because it's more expensive and it's got me concerned that I won't be able to rent/purchase DVD's that will work in my regular DVD player. Does anyone know how that will work because the cost is too prohibitive and waiting for prices to come down seems to occur only when the next technology comes into play.
HD-DVD was cheaper than blu-ray because it was cheaper to produce. The technology behind HD-DVD id very similar to the technology behing standard DVDs, so factories making standard DVDs didn't have to buy new machines to begin making HD DVD. Not the case with Blu-ray. In the end, Blu-Ray won because of the PS3. In the format war, 10 million people essentially had the choice made for them when they bought a PS3. This gave Blu-ray a tremendous lift. That said, I think the PS3 is an incredible value. For all that you get, $399 is a good deal.
to: lambwear....movies shot on film (practically every one in the theatre) is of better quality than high definition dvds. if there is a movie that came out 30 years ago, they arent going to use the standard dvd version to make the HD version. Manufacturers go to the source material (which is film) to make the transfer. Just so you know...films from the 60s were of much better picture quality than the films out in theatres today. For the past several years whenever a standard dvd was made...a high def version was made as well for future HD releases. If you look at the backs of some dvds...it says "remastered in high definition" When you think about it...that sd version of the movie is actually a down-scaled HD version. I have seinfeld on on dvd. On the back of the box it actually says "remastered in HD." but wait a minute...how can a tv show from 15 years ago be "remastered in HD?" the final output of the program is standard tv..obviously. but the show was shot on 35mm film. I think that sony pictures will release a higher quality version of the show in hd in the years to come. I think that would be really interesting to see...and it will probably happen to all tv shows that were shot on film (unless the film sources were destroyed) we shall see what happens
What about them putting DVd HD recorders? that will cost alot
There are those out there that know more about this than I do, but what are all people who own cars that play DVDs going to do, will they be able to get an adapter or something? I just look at the prices for a blu-ray player they were about $299-$3000 depending on what you wanted. I didn't go into very far, I have a dvd player in the living room and I can always moved that one to the bedroom and get a blu-ray player for living room, the next HP movie will proably be in blu-ray only.
I have a PS3 and a HD dvd player. There is a BIG difference between the two. Now wathcing movies on my PS3 is even better than going to the movies....Blu Ray deserved to win the battle
I don't think consumers share most of the blame for the death of HDDVD; How could an average consumer have made an educated choice? HDDVD was killed because Sony's battle plan was vastly superior. Sony made better back-room deals studios and retailers to get BR products visible to consumers. In the past 4 months, how many times have you seen a TV commercial for the release a new movie title that included the phrase "available on High Def Blue-Ray and DVD Tuesday". Now, compare that to how many time you saw "available in High Definition DVD...". The Hi Def market this past Christmas season was like a vending machine stocked with 8 Coke products and only 2 Pepsi products and claiming that customers clearly prefer Coke because it outsold Pepsi. That said, I can see the price of BR players coming down somewhat by Christmas 2009, but really being affordable by Christmas 2010. However, I see no reason for price of the movies to come down and the price of new releases will probably start slowing increasing after regular DVD starts being phased out and most consumers have bought BR players. Sony spents untold billions to win this format war, and there's no reason to believe they aren't planning on earning it all back plus a large profit.
I don't think consumers share most of the blame for the death of HDDVD; How could an average consumer have made an educated choice? HDDVD was killed because Sony's battle plan was vastly superior. Sony made better back-room deals studios and retailers to get BR products visible to consumers. In the past 4 months, how many times have you seen a TV commercial for the release a new movie title that included the phrase "available on High Def Blue-Ray and DVD Tuesday". Now, compare that to how many time you saw "available in High Definition DVD...". The Hi Def market this past Christmas season was like a vending machine stocked with 8 Coke products and only 2 Pepsi products and claiming that customers clearly prefer Coke because it outsold Pepsi. That said, I can see the price of BR players coming down somewhat by Christmas 2009, but really being affordable by Christmas 2010. However, I see no reason for price of the movies to come down and the price of new releases will probably start increasing after regular DVD starts being phased out and most consumers have bought their BR players. Sony spent untold billions to win this format war, and there's no reason to believe they aren't planning on earning it all back plus a large profit.
Are you all insane? Why would anyone think that HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray "competition" was going to be the key to lower prices? The competition is between the manufacturers, who can now rally behind the clear winning standard and increase production, thereby lowering cost per unit. With a clear winner, and with consumers presumably now willing to enter the market, commoditization of the players can begin. The end of the format war is very good for consumers.
The reason why Blu-Ray beat out HD DVD was the movie selection. Getting Disney to go Blu really helped Sony, but the nail in the coffin was Warner Bros and Paramount (I am sure Toshiba knew before Paramount announced and threw in the towel).
Definitely not worth the money. Who cares if you can see every blade of grass, or how many nose hairs are comin out of Brad Pitt's left nostril? Mind-blowing! Such a wonderful investment!!! A device like that will make my life complete.
Price Cuts? The term is so vague. $1 is a price cut, $100 is also a price cut. A better term to use is "Deals". As far as bluray deals go, my expectations are low. I'll believe it when I see it.
Maybe I am stupid or something, but what the heck is Blu-ray and what is the difference between HD DVD and Blu-ray?
Could someone clarify the differences clearly regarding the entry-level players? For example, I have looked at a Sony BDPD S301 at Costco, priced at approx. 389.00 and it comes with HDMI cable. I have a Sony Bravia XBR4 tv...and this model seemed like a possibility for me. I've read some reviews, but am confused about having to "burn a cd with the updates and then load to player because of no connection". Why is this necessary, and is it an important fact in relation to buying a player? I do not have the full surround 5.1 type set-up in my room, only using the speakers that are in tv, which for now is satisfactory. I will not be using any playstation or games. Any input would be appreciated, have been to Circuit City and Best Buy, but couldn't seem to get 2 salespeople to give me the same answer...which led to more confusion.
Change is an evitable dilemna that will fluctuate according to the technology, the materials required, the labor involved and the bottom line of costs. Look at CRT's and the coming of AMLCD and Plasma screens. Look back at mono, stereo, quad plex systems, dolby. We're caught in the user syndrome.
BluRay is superior. The better format won. Now, go out and buy a PlayStation3, America!
Standard DVD and HD television are good enough for me. I won't get on the Blu-ray bandwagon until the prices are at the same level as standard definition DVD's and hardware. I will get a Blu-ray recorder for my PC because of the storage capacity of the BD discs, but I don't see any justification to upgrade at this point.
My biggest concern is if I buy a Blue-Ray player, & start changing the movies i have over to B-R discs, something better comes along, maybe "Blue-Ray super", I don't know, but it always seem to happen. I also would only by a player that was both backward compatible AND recordable. That way I don't have to change over some of my lesser movies, & can record HI-Def things that i want to keep longer then a DVR allows.
Three points: For all the HD-DVD fans who claim their format was superior. Check Wikipedia's comparison of the two formats. Blu-Ray did everything HD could, and more. Higher storage, high bit-rates, higher bandwidth. Now that profile 2.0 is coming out (and the PS3 is upgradeable to this), all the "interactive" options that HD-DVD had are coming to BR. Please stop spreading false information. BluRay players DO playback AND upscale DVDs. But BR movies still look better. I have a PS3 and a 720p/1080i LCD and I can see a HUGE difference. Pricing has been dropping. You can regularly buy BR movies for $15-$25 - same as regular DVDs. I just picked up The Departed on Monday for $20 at Best Buy. For the comment about PS3 overheating - do some research. That has never been an issue, and the new machines are coming with smaller chips that are cooler to run. meanwhile Xbox360 continues to overheat. And for those who are concerened about price dropping...the players have been dropping faster than DVD did at the same point in the lifecycle. The same can be said for the price of the discs. Now that the war is settled, more people will buy in, driving lower prices.
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66 Posted by hmbaseball5 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:19PM EDT Report Abuse
I just want to know, if the HD-DVD and the Blu Ray are pretty much the same...some even say the HD-DVD was a little better, then why was the HD-DVD player $200-$250 cheaper than the cheapest Blu Ray player. I have not seen what either really looks like yet, but I'm trying to understand this. If HD-DVD was as good as Blu Ray then why were consumers buying the much more expensive choice. I could understand the people who buy the PS3 because theres more to it. But now I have to go spend $400 dollars to buy a Blu Ray because the rest of America is not cost efficient.