Feds: We will search through your laptop files at the border

Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:58AM EDT

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Following in the wake of February's news that customs agents were seizing electronics and making copies of all the files on cell phones and laptop hard drives, a federal appeals court has ruled on the legality of such searches. The result: Yeah, customs can do whatever it wants to your computer when you come across the border, without a warrant, and without cause.

The ruling extends to all electronics: In addition to laptops, feds can seize phone records and even digital pictures on your camera as they hunt for evidence. The ruling was unanimous among the three appellate judges.

Be assured that the ruling has little to do with thwarting terrorism. The appeal was actually part of an ongoing trial of a man named Michael Arnold, who returned from the Philippines and had his laptop scoured by the feds. They found purported images of child pornography on the laptop and later arrested him. In his trial, the evidence was suppressed for probable cause issues, as the court said that customs had no reasonable suspicion to search his laptop in the first place. That ruling has now been overturned.

As Wired notes, the court did not rule on whether you have to help agents access your hard drive. If you use a password or encryption, the court was mum on whether you can be compelled to provide information on bypassing that security in order to access materials on the drive. If you find yourself in such a situation and have anything on your computer that might be considered at all suspicious, you are probably wise to keep mum on providing login information.

This is an issue that will undoubtedly keep developing (and will probably be submitted, in the end, to the Supreme Court), but anyone traveling overseas with sensitive information (even confidential, legal stuff) should for now consider storing it elsewhere (online, perhaps) or simply leaving it at home. 

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  • 6 Posted by jd_1876 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:31PM EDT Report Abuse

    Isn't this unconstitutional? Here's the Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against *****unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,***** and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. (usconstitution.net) This HAS to fall under the category of "unreasonable," right? PS: Would a spreadsheet with customer names, addresses, and phone numbers would be considered suspicious? I wonder...

  • 7 Posted by ka7aok831 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:46PM EDT Report Abuse

    O put your confidential data on a flash drive in your bag (checked in) or on your person away from the laptop,

  • 8 Posted by coolkyle4@snet.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:29PM EDT Report Abuse

    i believe microsoft has a skydrive or something that stores up to 5gbs or something close, if i am goin across the border im storing it there or having a portable hardrive thats way hidden

  • 9 Posted by magpagbst on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:03PM EDT Report Abuse

    if they think the electronic device is a bomb . . . i'm all for it . . . any other reason . . . due cause has to apply . . . there's got to be more to this ruling . . .

  • 10 Posted by keybowvio on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:50PM EDT Report Abuse

    I say we have a national day when we all bombard customs agents with data. They say they want a back up? what if we each had two laptops with terabytes of nonsensical data, overwhelming them with too much data? mwahahah...

  • 11 Posted by pattigoettler on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:01PM EDT Report Abuse

    If they can catch ONE pedophile, or ONE terrorist, then good for them! I could care less if they go through my files, (BORING......) God Bless 'em! PS You can all listen to my cell phone calls as well...who cares!

  • 12 Posted by scottiecordes on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:08PM EDT Report Abuse

    OK Patti...I understand what you are saying. So, let's just put everyone in jail. We are bound to jail ONE pedophile, or ONE terrorist. Oh, sorry Patti...you just missed your plane becuase homeland security had to image your hard drive.

  • 13 Posted by cakiene3 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:16PM EDT Report Abuse

    It doesnt help national security at all obviously. We all know that the terrorists are simply walking across the border with the other millions of illegal immigrants.

  • 14 Posted by agustin2489 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:47PM EDT Report Abuse

    Pity, pitiful even. I'm sorry to say this (again) but wasn't there a dictum of law saying "innocent until proven guilty"?

  • 15 Posted by ajdoylejr on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:48PM EDT Report Abuse

    WOW ! what next ? civil rights just took another hit people ! Were in the presence of the "freedom haters" best case senarieo.Soon your houses and places of business will fall to the heavy hand of the "TERRORIST SEEKERS" whims. GOD HELP US ALL!

  • 16 Posted by akasidepocket on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:48PM EDT Report Abuse

    Folks are missing the bigger picture. It is okay to search electronics entering!! country w/o warrant etc. according to ruling. What happens when a foreign business person has sensitive legal company information copied that winds up in hands of American competiter (accidental or deliberate)forget about what happens when an American returns. Other governments will reciprocate on our businesses under the the doctrine of do unto others as was done unto you. Does anyone remember many years back when it was revealed that a national airline (foreign) had planes bugged by the security service of that nation with info passed on to that countries competitors. We will just have to see how this progresses.

  • 17 Posted by johnbradshaw27 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:38PM EDT Report Abuse

    I feel so safe knowing that the govt can now have copies of all my vacation photos... real tax dollars at work here!

  • 18 Posted by ezight on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:57PM EDT Report Abuse

    This is why you yank out your hard drive ,leave it at home. Set your bios in your computer to CD first boot device. Use a Puppy linux LIVE CD. It's small fast operates LIVE. Has firefox an mp3 player notepad ETC and requires NO hard drive even be present in the computer. What can they search for if there is only a live boot CD in the CD drive bay with first session being the OS and successive sessions being stuff like mp3's and junk not worth a hoot to the GOV. Leave your HD at home on your server via USB. Store stuff you download online or mail it to yourself. Don't store stuff to a thumb drive cause they will take that too. Use remote WIFI to get the internet. Once you shut down your computer running with a live CD there is nothing to recover due to the fact there is no hard drive. You must however have at least 2 gig of ram to do this since running LIVE from CD is a bit power hungry in the ram department. Ive been working with computers since the TRS 80 in 1983 Back then we did not have hard drives--us old timers are used to it.

  • 19 Posted by meredithross44 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:16PM EDT Report Abuse

    I don't have anything incriminating on my laptop (it's not like my lesson plans contain state secrets or anything), and I'm always happy when another pedophile is off of the streets, but this is ridiculous! The only reason that the authorities should be looking at files is if they A) need to do a quick check to make sure it is a working laptop and not a bomb, and/or B) if they have a warrant. I suppose I'm a bit liberal as far as protecting civil liberties goes, but still, I cannot see any way that this should be constitutional. Plus, as people mentioned above, what about reciprocation/retaliation by other countries? This just seems like a bad, bad, bad idea. So trust it to be from our government.

  • 20 Posted by annmpatterson on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:55PM EDT Report Abuse

    This is simply unconstitutional (under the 4th amendment). Even with a conservative court, I feel certain the Supremes will overrule this ridiculous decision. This is the United States of America, not the United States of Big Brother and Invasion of Privacy. I feel like we've gone back to the USSR of old. I hope the ACLU will be all over this like white on rice.

  • 21 Posted by karategirl3200 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:46PM EDT Report Abuse

    When you are a law-abiding moral person it doesn't matter who searches your hard drive so Big Brother is welcome!

  • 22 Posted by philipchou2001 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:09PM EDT Report Abuse

    Great, so when they search my computer and see the ripped VOB file of Star Wars, they can arrest me for breaking the DMCA. OK, let's move that stuff onto USB flash drives then.

  • 23 Posted by c0balt83 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:16PM EDT Report Abuse

    Time to fill my hard drive and picture phone with goatse, tubgirl, lemonparty, 2girls1cup, and more! If they think they're violating my rights, just wait until I violate their minds!

  • 24 Posted by tydacat0807 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:25PM EDT Report Abuse

    I see people are for and against it. Here are my views, First copying all the data off of hundreds of thousands of computers will take a good amount of time and space to put this data. Where the data is put, is vulnerable to hacking so now, no ones information and files are safe. Second, The files on the local hard drive may not contain any "suspicious" activity, but i can access the internet and download whatever I want, Whenever I want. So in reality, this makes no sense for the government to waste that much more money. Here's another point i have just thought of. If you had sensitive data wouldn't you encrypt it? That would be more time and resources the government has to work out to find out what you are hiding.

  • 25 Posted by stverdj on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:46PM EDT Report Abuse

    This is really stupid for many reasons. Lets say your flight leaves in 15 minutes, and you just got to the airport with a laptop in your bag. Do they have a magic wand that copies all the files instantly? Also, there are crooked workers everywhere. Who knows where your data will end up. I agree that the US is becoming a 'big brother' but you can't blame them completely. Blame the terrorists who ruin it for all of us.

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