Chaos as YouTube ordered to turn over all user viewing histories

Thu Jul 3, 2008 1:27PM EDT

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Viacom's war against YouTube over the illegal reposting of video content it owns has finally won it a huge victory in the court of law. Last night a judge ruled that YouTube (and owner Google) is required to turn over a mountain of information to Viacom, including every user's IP address and user name and a list of every video that user has ever watched on the service. (Yes, that's a lot of data.) Google is also required to give Viacom a copy of every video it has ever taken down from the YouTube service, regardless of the reason.

The usual user advocates are naturally calling this a catastrophic failure of the courts to recognize users' right to privacy, but the courts have relied on Google's own defense of its data retention tactics (which holds that an IP address alone won't reveal personal information about a user) as a justification for the verdict. That's one thing, but by demanding user names along with IP addresses, that argument goes out the window. Many are already speculating that Viacom will sue the users who watched the videos as a next step. Heck, it's so popular with the RIAA, why not try it here?

Will Google comply with the order? Good question. It's already being speculated that if it does users will file a massive class action suit against Google in retaliation, and they'd be right to do so. Certainly the release of AOL user search history debacle isn't so far behind us that we've forgotten those lessons already (though in fairness, AOL's data release was its own doing, not a legal judgment).

This issue will likely not stop here as the combatants continue to fight it out in court, but in the meantime, the sobering reality is that it's time to rethink what you're watching on YouTube (or any other video sharing service, for that matter), as it's all too likely that's about to become a matter of public record.

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  • 26 Posted by wallacegore on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:40PM EDT Report Abuse

    I think that if you buy something,anything,that it is yours to do with as you please whether it be property,a candy bar or anthing else including media. I also agree with emv425,that our rights,not only privacy,but in all sorts are being taken away. In my eyes American Democracy is going the way of the Dodo.

  • 27 Posted by knobwasher2000 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:52PM EDT Report Abuse

    They can go screw themselfs just try to bring a lawsuit against all those people. I think the lawyers involved in this should be executed on the spot and so should the judges. After that take out all the corportate heads of Viacom and burn their corportate offices to the ground

  • 28 Posted by penguin_152 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:06PM EDT Report Abuse

    Had this lawsuit not been about online copies of TV shows and movies, but about actual physical copies (CDs and DVDs) the same information would eventually make its way into Viacom's hands. If you commit a crime, expect your personal information to be handed over to the authorities first, and then to a corporation for them to sue you. More than likely Viacom only wants the information to prove actual damages against Google. Do any of you actually think your personal information is actually that private anymore?

  • 29 Posted by mr_lizerd on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:28PM EDT Report Abuse

    does this include information about deleted accounts? if not then all we have to do is delete our current accounts and create new ones. with no viewing history of "questionable" videos. right?

  • 30 Posted by starman24_24 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:39PM EDT Report Abuse

    If I have seed it ones. I have seed it 1000 times. The USA is not free anymore as we all would like to think. People in high places are pocking there head were it dose not belong at all. You always hear of people's right to privacy. Ware is it now. There is no privacy anymore at all. What do they hope to gane from all this. Are they going to sue evey single person that ever whatch YouTube. To be honest I was never awer that YouTube was bracking any laws.

  • 31 Posted by spillman.robert on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:36PM EDT Report Abuse

    Thank Goodness for YAHOO!!!!!!! I never used or posted anything on youtube.... I use a proxy.....................

  • 32 Posted by nahmed212001 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:32PM EDT Report Abuse

    BIG BROTHER has taken over!!! We will have to think twice before we take any action on the internet. These days nothing is private. They're going to tell us to leave our windows and doors open so they can come over whenever they feel like it.

  • 33 Posted by vegasgoodfella on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:33PM EDT Report Abuse

    So, will the owner of the machine that had the illegal viewings be held responsible? Most folks set their browsers to remember usernames and passwords, any user in the house or office could have been the viewer. Could be very hard to prove "who done it" On the other hand it's going to be tough to come up with that many alibis. :)

  • 34 Posted by aznhavx on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:00PM EDT Report Abuse

    Viacom just need the infomation to collect their "dues". They're not going to sue the users who watched the videos. They don't care about your name or your IP. They just need the statitics so they can sue for money. but eventually, youtube will either be missing tons of videos or viacom gets a percentage off youtube.

  • 35 Posted by warrioronawarpath on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:40PM EDT Report Abuse

    I believe in the rights of our own personal privacy. However, there is sick, twisted filthy scumbag pedophiles/predators on You Tube. On an average day i report 20-60 channels and videos. These type of users need to be removed from You Tube (heck they need to be removed from society) OUR CHILDREN HAVE RIGHTS. They should be able to go onto a site with out being preyed upon, or seeing sex videos. Parents need to watch what children are doing on the internet. The perverts have over populated You Tube. * If YOU wish to watch porn on go to a porn site, and sign up. I like the idea of keeping track of the videos every user watches. -- CLEAN YOU TUBE UP GET THE FILTHY CHILD MOLESTERS OFF.

  • 36 Posted by kingtorm on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:51PM EDT Report Abuse

    thats has to be illegal not all viewers live within the united states so there fore we dont have the right th have that information

  • 37 Posted by kuroda_ryu on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:54PM EDT Report Abuse

    I'm with Crapdirector. If the information is released to Viacom the only one's at fault would be the courts, though that attorney's eyes only clause is a little reassuring. Viacom's request seems far too excessive. That is a ton of data and i doubt it will be ready any time soon

  • 38 Posted by socal.gold on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:31PM EDT Report Abuse

    OUTRAGEOUS!! Total CATTLE DUNG! Is there NOTHING sacred anymore!?! (meant as a statement as opposed to a question) god! I feel like, like.....I'm TOTALLY being SMOTHERED by "Big Brother"! Like my individuality is (for some ASinine REAson!) being exTINguished by the United States Government! Next thing on the list, they'll (U.S. Government) want to be privy to WHERE I masturbate, WHEN I masturbate, how LO-O-ONG I masturbate FOR, with or without WHOM, the exact techNIQUE I use, AN-N-N-N-D...... how LOUD I SCRE-E-EAM when I COME!! (Did I mention I'm feeling just a tad slighted by the U.S. Government? Like, like - TOTALLY! gee...you don't think i'm menopausal, do ya?) I agree w/ the dude that posted comment #25. (i gotta nix the espresso....)

  • 39 Posted by jcjsjhem on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:30PM EDT Report Abuse

    Wow, I wish i knew what was going through the judges head...

  • 40 Posted by kraef on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:53PM EDT Report Abuse

    why not just boycott Viacom and any product they produce. If they want to act this way maybe they should see what its like without the money from You Tube users.

  • 41 Posted by mzw986 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:32PM EDT Report Abuse

    I refuse to use YouTube ever again. This is outrageous!

  • 42 Posted by filmmusicandtv on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:59PM EDT Report Abuse

    PS, I see Yahoo is into editing comments. I didn't say "heck" I said the word that rhymes with fell. Ugggggh!

  • 43 Posted by tiffanylampe on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:08PM EDT Report Abuse

    daggum corksoakers!! fugemall wannabe dicktaters

  • 44 Posted by sumrcamp on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:47PM EDT Report Abuse

    My understanding is that the RIAA sued for downloading songs, not for listening to songs.

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