Thu Jul 3, 2008 1:27PM EDT
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Viacom's war against YouTube over the illegal reposting of video content it owns has finally won it a huge victory in the court of law. Last night a judge ruled that YouTube (and owner Google) is required to turn over a mountain of information to Viacom, including every user's IP address and user name and a list of every video that user has ever watched on the service. (Yes, that's a lot of data.) Google is also required to give Viacom a copy of every video it has ever taken down from the YouTube service, regardless of the reason.
The usual user advocates are naturally calling this a catastrophic failure of the courts to recognize users' right to privacy, but the courts have relied on Google's own defense of its data retention tactics (which holds that an IP address alone won't reveal personal information about a user) as a justification for the verdict. That's one thing, but by demanding user names along with IP addresses, that argument goes out the window. Many are already speculating that Viacom will sue the users who watched the videos as a next step. Heck, it's so popular with the RIAA, why not try it here?
Will Google comply with the order? Good question. It's already being speculated that if it does users will file a massive class action suit against Google in retaliation, and they'd be right to do so. Certainly the release of AOL user search history debacle isn't so far behind us that we've forgotten those lessons already (though in fairness, AOL's data release was its own doing, not a legal judgment).
This issue will likely not stop here as the combatants continue to fight it out in court, but in the meantime, the sobering reality is that it's time to rethink what you're watching on YouTube (or any other video sharing service, for that matter), as it's all too likely that's about to become a matter of public record.
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well...when a viewer viewed any of those videos they were persuming that all the legal papers had been taken care of and that that video was "free" im sure. i think its like movie piracy, how can you sue every person that baught or even SAW one...that would be just about everyone in america!!! not to mention those that just didnt have a clue. so i think its VERY unfair of them to try and sue the user for some video they may have stumbled upon in the past. if they do that it will be like the recording industry all over again, they will lose customers because they will be seen as being VERY unfair. They should very carefully consider what they choose to do with that information.
HAHAHAHHAHA!!! HERE WE GO: NOW I CAN SUE VIACOM - SINCE THEY WANT AND WILL OBTAIN A COPY OF EVERYONE ELSE'S VIDEO THAT WAS REMOVED - FOR HAVING A COPY OF MY VIDEO, WHICH I HAD REMOVED WHEN SOMEONE ELSE POSTED IT ON YOUTUBE. AFTER ALL, I AM THE SOLE AND ONLY COPYRIGHT OWNER AND NEVER AUTHORIZED THEM TO HAVE A COPY. OH, AND THEY CAN'T SUE ME, BECAUSE I NEVER COPIED OR POSTED ANY OF THEIR OR ANYONE ELSE'S VIDEOS! GO AHEAH, VIACOM, GET A COPY OF OTHER COPYRIGHT OWNERS' MATERIALS AND SEE THE LAWSUITS POURING IN! YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED ONLY FOR YOUR OWN! YOUR LAWYERS ARE BRAINLESS!
You mean they're going to find that I (and about 10 million other people) watched that Youtube video of the 2 Japanese babes massaging each other?
This is so unconstitutional, and so like America. The rich and powerful have again won another battle, we should call this land, Yuppieingdom!!!!!!!!!!
BIG BROTHER at work again!
Why should anyone have to pay to watch old videos ? Performers have made their money. This is all about GREED. When those vidoes were shown all over MTV, when they first started, people could watch them for FREE on TV. Because it was all about the Artist getting noticed and getting their records and concerts sold. It was entertainment, for people, and it benefited the Artists. Now all of a sudden some of the Artists have pulled some videos..WHY ?? Because they want more money now. People are being nickeled and dimed to death...to much price inflation, and greedy pigs make their living off the backs of the poor.
open up your eyes people!!!! we all are living in a communist state now and Big Brother is always watching!!!! what is next??? what is this world coming to??? pretty soon they can see what i'm doing thru my webcam and that wouldn't be a goodthing.LOL
YouTube didn't notify me that I would be viewing copyrighted material before I clicked on the video links...in fact, there isn't supposed to be any copyrighted material on YouTube in the first place. It makes way more sense that they get the info of the members that posted the content in the first place, not the thousands of people that saw each video. Hey, I know! I'll make a copyrighted video of my own, post it on YouTube, then sue everyone who watches it! What a great idea!
How can this be compared to downloading music? It's simply watching, not downloading, making copies, and distributing for profit. Unbelievable. And GOOG has to provide every video taken down regardless of reason? George Orwell is laughing.
One of these days all this GREAT technology is going to wipe this world clean. In this country we have all become so money hungry and cut throat this is what happens. Imagine if this data got sold to the wrong people? Gee that could never happen.
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!
INTERNET RULE NUMBER ONE - Don't visit any site or do anything on the Internet that you wouldn't want published in your local paper. You have ZERO privacy or rights. Viacom is just as stupid as the record industry. I used to download music and the downloads were responsible for all my music purchases. Since the RIAA started their war on their customers I stopped downloading...and I stopped BUYING. I have bought two CDs in the past couple years, compared to 20 a year when I was downloading. Newsflash for Viacom - you ought to be grateful that anyone watches the crap you produce...anywhere, anytime. I don't use Google and I rarely visit YouTube. The only decent site on the Internet is Craigslist.
slavery is alive and well in corporate america
I'm pretty sure if they want to give out information about the viewers of the material on the site, they would have had to have a disclaimer of some sort BEFORE we watched videos on the site. Since that wasn't the case, they've got big problems on their hands if they start handing out info from previously viewed materials. It's another story altogether if they do display a disclaimer, and track future viewing. Great, all good things must end, I suppose.
Why is it illegal to go to Youtube and watch videos anyway?
it's not illegal to watch videos, it's illegal to post them. i don't really have a problem with this, because all the shows i watch are free on the website of the company that owns them
I'm with comment number 5...its not Google's fault.... its the courts.... thats who we need to find a way to shut up for good for all of these crappy lawsuits
Boycott You Tube? Are they not the ones that are being treated like crap from Viacom? Ok so its time for a revolution. Boycott all the manipulative large corporations and send them broke. All you Viacom employees that use You Tube need to start stealing from your Big Brother company and everyone else needs to stop spending money with them. Of course seeing as there are so many sheep in this country nothing will really happen and one more right to freedom will disapear.
There should have been a disclaimer posted that tells people that a history of anything veiwed can or will be made public. Of course in the future they may set up the web site like one of those servers that not only hides your identity, but makes it impossible to track. Unless that violates the new Patriot Act.
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46 Posted by badrumjack on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:01PM EDT Report Abuse
Do you think they will find out about that porn video I watched?