Thu Jul 3, 2008 1:27PM EDT
See Comments (107)
Viacom's war against YouTube over the illegal reposting of video content it owns has finally won it a huge victory in the court of law. Last night a judge ruled that YouTube (and owner Google) is required to turn over a mountain of information to Viacom, including every user's IP address and user name and a list of every video that user has ever watched on the service. (Yes, that's a lot of data.) Google is also required to give Viacom a copy of every video it has ever taken down from the YouTube service, regardless of the reason.
The usual user advocates are naturally calling this a catastrophic failure of the courts to recognize users' right to privacy, but the courts have relied on Google's own defense of its data retention tactics (which holds that an IP address alone won't reveal personal information about a user) as a justification for the verdict. That's one thing, but by demanding user names along with IP addresses, that argument goes out the window. Many are already speculating that Viacom will sue the users who watched the videos as a next step. Heck, it's so popular with the RIAA, why not try it here?
Will Google comply with the order? Good question. It's already being speculated that if it does users will file a massive class action suit against Google in retaliation, and they'd be right to do so. Certainly the release of AOL user search history debacle isn't so far behind us that we've forgotten those lessons already (though in fairness, AOL's data release was its own doing, not a legal judgment).
This issue will likely not stop here as the combatants continue to fight it out in court, but in the meantime, the sobering reality is that it's time to rethink what you're watching on YouTube (or any other video sharing service, for that matter), as it's all too likely that's about to become a matter of public record.
Join in the discussion. Here you'll see the comments in the order they were posted.
I for one will attempt to find out what the sources of my entertainment are, and avoid anything to do with Viacom. I haven't knowingly watched any content of theirs on YouTube. If I'm sued by Viacom, I'll pay my lawyer to drag it out as long as possible... even if it costs me 100 times any crappy royalty assessed by the courts.
I am quite sure that Google will put in some type of petition to stop this. But on the other hand, Google could start to ship out truckloads of physical documents, one truckload a day, and claim they will continue to do so for the next 100 years in order to comply with the court orders for the records up to the current day, and then tack on a $1billion surcharge for the recoverable attorney fees to be paid for the documentation. Stupid non-tech judges are horrible. No reason for Viacom to receive that large a scope of information either - they are not entitled to it. Very bad judgement from the judge.
I agree with emv425 and crapdirector 100%. Thank you for the article, Mr. Null.
And this is why I didn't join YouTube. Now I'm glad.
I think the courts are takig it to far. Viacom can not violate our rights a class action against them would stop all this. Viacoms days maybe coming to a halt if a class action goes against them.
There's no way Viacom would sue the users that watched those videos... that's an impossible lawsuit and probably suicide for them if they do.
Surprize, Surprize, Surprize, Does anybody out there in wonder-land really believe you have privacy over the inter- net? I mean darn-it-boy, wake-up and smell the roses. What a joke. I believe what the Federal Government tells me. DUH! DUH! DUH!
Hey, you vote in the people who make up your laws! I don't like this anymore than anyone else. That's one reason I use Linux over Windows. I refuse to help the greedy get any wealthier. Was a time, music and movies were all eminent domain. Now everything from songs to even file extensions are copyrighted. Something for the rich to get richer at everyone elses expense. Like Will Rogers said many many years ago: "We have the danged best legislators, money can buy!"
This information actually isn't a hundred percent accurate. The post at http://www.forbes.com/technology/2008/07/03/youtube-google-viacom-tech-security-cx_ag_0703youtube.html covers the details of the ruling. I'm still rather worried about where this could lead, but that seems to be good that Google is already stating they will make the histories anonymous.
Thanks to GW Bush, all of our privacy rights are being destroyed! Now Obama is turn coating and supporting Bush's FISA! I was a supporter but now e-mailed them that I will no longer vote or support them because of the same issue as this court order: VIOLATION OF PRIVACY! The fact that Viacom can invade my privacy, see what videos I watch and read what comments I made about the videos is a visseration of our first and fourth ammendment consitutional rights! Who the heck is this Judge to violate the constitution? We need a class action suit against this Judge and Viacom!
until this plays out further - heck, knowing viacom they will start suing people that watched a video X times - i think i may be limiting my time and visits to youtube. just wrote more of my opinion here: http://webpoet.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/time-wasted-not-forgotten/
If people cared anout our privacy they would be voting for SMALLER governments. Our country was built on freedom but we keep electing people who are happy to take our rights away from us. Too bad Bob Barr didn't get as far as the other candidates, he wouldn't let government invade our privacy like this.
oops. please remove the no. 18 comment. i accidentially posted it using my friends account.
why wasnt there a failsafe built into the system to delete that information so there would be nothing to turn over?
my ip address? i hope known one at vaicom hacks my computer or google and if i get sued for just seeing some video that is retarded.
WOW! Why can't they go after the spammers and such,with as much vigor as they do with this typ of rediculous nonsense? I can tell you one thing for sure.If they release anyones personal info,they will certainly lose alot of customers.
If you look deep into the Judges history that made this ruling,you will most likely find that he has a large connection to Pres.Bush and the current ruling party and that he has an affiliation with the Free Masons. Once again the rights we are afforded under our constitution have been severly compromised. What is it going to take before we finally say enough is enough and take up arms as we did in the American Revolution and take back what our forefathers afforded us in 1776 and 1781. This government has become a dictatorship not a democracy. Wasn't that what we are doing in Iraq initially? Taking down a Dictator. I will not only get involved in suing Google but Naming the Judge in this suit as well.
I said it in the Eighties and I'll say it again, The USA is turning communist. The one thing we hate the most is losing our freedom and privacy, and here we are just sitting by while the government is TAKE, TAKE, TAKING our freedom and now they are going to monitor the computer activities of everyone in America. heck people we are the enemy of the US. They have given all of our jobs to China or Inda. They monitor our city streets, listen to our phone conversations, and now they are starting to monitor which site you visit even if you are not a pervert child molester!!! What is next? They want to see everybodies web cam and anything ever shown on it!!! Think about it people and let's do stand up for our rights before it is too late.
BOYCOTT VIACOM AND GOOGLE!!!!!
Please enable your browser's cookies to activate the My Tech column.
| Computers | Home Office | Wi-Fi & Networking | Phones & PDAs | Cameras & Camcorders | TV & Home Theater | Portable Audio |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
6 Posted by gooddayz39 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:11PM EDT Report Abuse
The court system and our government are going to turn this country into a 3rd world country with all of thier money worshiping ways!