Chaos as YouTube ordered to turn over all user viewing histories

Thu Jul 3, 2008 1:27PM EDT

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Viacom's war against YouTube over the illegal reposting of video content it owns has finally won it a huge victory in the court of law. Last night a judge ruled that YouTube (and owner Google) is required to turn over a mountain of information to Viacom, including every user's IP address and user name and a list of every video that user has ever watched on the service. (Yes, that's a lot of data.) Google is also required to give Viacom a copy of every video it has ever taken down from the YouTube service, regardless of the reason.

The usual user advocates are naturally calling this a catastrophic failure of the courts to recognize users' right to privacy, but the courts have relied on Google's own defense of its data retention tactics (which holds that an IP address alone won't reveal personal information about a user) as a justification for the verdict. That's one thing, but by demanding user names along with IP addresses, that argument goes out the window. Many are already speculating that Viacom will sue the users who watched the videos as a next step. Heck, it's so popular with the RIAA, why not try it here?

Will Google comply with the order? Good question. It's already being speculated that if it does users will file a massive class action suit against Google in retaliation, and they'd be right to do so. Certainly the release of AOL user search history debacle isn't so far behind us that we've forgotten those lessons already (though in fairness, AOL's data release was its own doing, not a legal judgment).

This issue will likely not stop here as the combatants continue to fight it out in court, but in the meantime, the sobering reality is that it's time to rethink what you're watching on YouTube (or any other video sharing service, for that matter), as it's all too likely that's about to become a matter of public record.

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  • 66 Posted by danevanswestwood on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:35PM EDT Report Abuse

    Remember to BOYCOT Viacomm, their services, and their subsidiaries, including Dream Works, MTV networks, Paramount films, and Nickelodeon. This may mean cutting out or cutting up packages from your cable or satelite tv service, but if you care.... And, tell them why you are doing it.

  • 67 Posted by sambo_47240 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:01PM EDT Report Abuse

    viacom owns cbs, mtv, paramount pictures, showtime, BET network, CMT, comedy central nickelodeon VH1, and other entertainment companies. If you want to hurt them; quit buying and subscribing to them. If they think YouTube has indirectly took money from them, wait until the people do it personally. walmart sells mostly stuff made in china which takes away american jobs and people keep on buying there so this idea probably won't work. but would'nt be nice if it did?

  • 68 Posted by southernboydixon on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:34PM EDT Report Abuse

    Boycott Viacommunist! If Viacom tries to sue people for viewing this, then people should sue Viacom everytime they release a flop we have to endure. Boycott, boycott, boycott.............................

  • 69 Posted by sweetestangel7001 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:51PM EDT Report Abuse

    Wow, I wonder what they will do next. Request for all the calls we made through our phone? [maybe this already happened? lol] Oh wait, a better idea, how about we request all the websites you have visited through your ip address? Might as well go there. This is totally absurd.

  • 70 Posted by starzstuff on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:39PM EDT Report Abuse

    Why dont we all write viacom a crappy response to their victory. http://www.viacom.com/contact/Pages/default.aspx I gave them a piece of my mind!

  • 71 Posted by liberalarts on Thu Sep 3, 2009 6:50PM EDT Report Abuse

    What? Are we living in China now? Has anyone else noticed that since the current regime has been in place we as americans have lost more freedoms in this country while they believe they are all above the law?

  • 72 Posted by rickwheeler2002 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:40PM EDT Report Abuse

    why dont we do this instead why not just stop viewing anything produced by viacom and shut them down putting them out of business what they may or may not realize is this peope who are watching things on the internet don not hurt the business at all they dont go out and watch movies. I havent been out to the movies in years cause they want to much to watch the movies at theaters and to tell you the truth things i have seen over the net made me purchase movies that i would never have bought

  • 75 Posted by docb4fun on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:45PM EDT Report Abuse

    It looks like that people are afraid of being sued for watching videos on Youtube. I really don't think that is likely. Where you can get into trouble is posting copy righted material. Youtube is usually pretty good about catching that and warn whomever does that to remove the material. If you happen to watch something that violates copy right law on Youtube, you cannot be (in my view) held responsible. That is just my two cents.

  • 77 Posted by docb4fun on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:45PM EDT Report Abuse

    Just a follow up....I just read this article. It is very interesting. http://www.techaddress.com/2008/07/03/i-swear-your-honor-i-didnt-know-that-video-was-copyrighted/ It certainly makes sense. How does one know that something is copyrighted? Any lawyers in the house???

  • 78 Posted by goddesskm63 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:10PM EDT Report Abuse

    Well hel...there goes my FREE porn! I love You Tube!

  • 79 Posted by astroud75 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:58PM EDT Report Abuse

    I haven't read every comment here so maybe it's already been said, but it's worth saying again anyway: How would the average viewer know whether the person posting the video had permission to do so? Permission can at least theoretically be granted, right? If anyone should be held responsible then it should be the submitter (and I don't think that should even be the case). How much is this really costing Viacom or the other companies anyway?

  • 80 Posted by fantasy.man46 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:58PM EDT Report Abuse

    Lesson: Watch out who and what you vote for. Governors and Presidents appoint judges who make stupid rulings like this, setting precedents for future cases. Votes count, people. If you want to change the country, vote for the right people, vote for the right initiatives! Why, we could even vote in legislators that would slap down frivolous lawsuits like Viacom's if we wanted to! Go ahead, Big Brother, take note of my IP address. I'm proud to be a patriot.

  • 81 Posted by brightshadowsartistics on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:13PM EDT Report Abuse

    what are they going to do...sue people for WATCHING?? Stupid. That could be in the billions. Not to mention which, the majority aren't even IN the states. Why do they think they have jurisdiction over the world?

  • 82 Posted by kittens_mistress on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:52PM EDT Report Abuse

    That's why you watch strictly amature videos on You Tube, no worries there!! lol

  • 83 Posted by melfina_angel2001 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:15PM EDT Report Abuse

    Honestly, I don't see where Viacom has any right to see what Youtube users watch. We have a right to privacy and now it's being taken away by a bunch of idiots who have no social life and want to know what we watch? This is stupid beyond all stupidity.

  • 84 Posted by sovereign797 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:34PM EDT Report Abuse

    If there isnt a copyright notice at he front of the video, there's no notice, so you can't be held accountable for watching it, but if there is a copyright notice, you could be. Its possible they might go after viewers, maybe to set an example, but I think they are more interested in the posters. I believe there is technology availble which can make a users IP address untraceable - and if there isn't, I bet there will be soon.

  • 85 Posted by hetouchesstars on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:18PM EDT Report Abuse

    YouTube actually has all that data?!? How is that possible?! And I don't get it! Why should Viacom be allowed access to all of it?! I think this is violation of every user's right to privacy. Maybe we can sue the judge! He's responsible for our private information going to someone we never agreed could have access to our information/viewing habits. I don't have anything to hide, I don't think, but it's the principal of the matter, and I don't like it one bit!

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