Reader Mail: Is it Legal to Copy CDs and DVDs?

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Reader phil439 writes: Long-time reader, first-time writer. Question for you about making copies of music CDs and movie DVDs. I'm not a pirate or anything, I just want to use the music and movies that I already paid for on my iPod. Am I breaking any laws by ripping CDs and DVDs, so long as I'm not distributing them?

Hey Phil—thanks for writing. Most digital-rights activists (such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation), citing the "fair use" exceptions to U.S. copyright law, argue that you should be able to rip copyrighted CDs and DVDs (ones you own, mind you) for your own personal use. Of course, whether you have the actual legal right to do so is another—and somewhat murky—issue, particularly when it comes to video.

In the case of music, the RIAA (the trade group that represents the music industry) isn't exactly thrilled by the idea of people ripping CDs for their own use, but it isn't going after them, either. Indeed, the issue cropped up when a major newspaper incorrectly reported that the RIAA was suing a listener for merely ripping music tracks off a CD; the RIAA made it clear that it was going after the defendant for putting those tracks in a P2P file-sharing folder, not for the ripping itself. The RIAA stopped short of saying it actually approves of CD ripping for personal use, but for now, the group seems content to let it go.

Ripping DVD movies is a different issue, however. Thanks to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998, it is illegal to crack digital rights management schemes (a.k.a., our old friend DRM) regardless of how you plan on using the protected content. While music CDs don't come with copy protection (although there were a few misguided attempts to do so), just about any copyrighted DVD in your local video store is encrypted by a DRM scheme called CSS (Content Scramble System). If you crack CSS encryption to copy a DVD to your hard drive or iPod (and most DVD-ripping utilities out there do just that), strictly speaking, you're in violation of the DMCA. Now, as my fellow blogger Chris Null has pointed out, the DMCA would seem to conflict with the "fair use" provisions of standard copyright law, but how (and whether) fair use applies to ripping "backup" copies of DVDs remains unclear, and there have been no definitive legal rulings to point the way. (One potential test case—a lawsuit filed against the makers of a digital movie jukebox by the movie industry—has turned into a twisty, back-and-forth battle, with no clear winners or losers.)

So, to summarize: copying CDs for your personal use is fine. Ripping DVDs? You probably won't get hauled into court for putting a movie onto your iPod, but if you really want to know...yeah, you're wading into murky legal waters.

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  • 26 Posted by imjstbob@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:23PM EDT Report Abuse

    This was a great story, very informative and helpful. Thanks for the question and the answer.

  • 27 Posted by pd7704 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:04PM EDT Report Abuse

    The article was good but made no references to music sharing sites, we all heard about the napster lawsuit but now, you can pay some sites and they still offer some free sharing sites to get copied music/songs. So what is the deal with that??? Is this OK? Is there any laws that prevent me from downloading a song and sharing it with anyone in the world that likes that song???

  • 28 Posted by mdobyns40@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:14PM EDT Report Abuse

    How about when you record movies from satallite or cable onto your DVR or Tivo or even to a DVD burner? I can burn a disc from the hard drive of my DVR so that my kids can watch the movie in the car or wherever. Is that piracy?

  • 29 Posted by triquetra33@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:21PM EDT Report Abuse

    While I do not believe in pirating, I do feel that if I spent cosiderable money amassing a music collection, I should be able to listen to that music at my own convienence. I have my cd's ( and cassettes, and a few albulms ). I like to listen at home (CD) in the car (CD)

  • 30 Posted by triquetra33@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:21PM EDT Report Abuse

    As I was saying- If I spent $20 on a cd, I'd like to listen when I want. I need a cd for my home, a COPY of my cd for my car, and a switch to another format for my IPOD and cellphone. I feel I'm entitled to hear this music in any format that I wish, as long as I have already paid for it. As a matter of fact, I purchase MORE music now than before of the fact that I feel I am getting my moneys worth on all my different players.

  • 31 Posted by ladykay8 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:55PM EDT Report Abuse

    I think we need to further define "personal use" as it relates to CD burning.

  • 32 Posted by sheelah_n on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:18PM EDT Report Abuse

    We never would have a problem in the first place if all copying was done for "personal use", but its not. The moment you post the song you ripped online for others to steal, is when you have a problem. For years people have copied movies from tv to VHS and made tapes from the radio or copies from their bestfriend's tape collection. No one was kicking the door down then. Its not that no one cared, its just that it was kept quiet, and not blatantly advertised that you ripped it Keep your business to yourself. I have hundreds of cd's I have purchased, (even when cd's were first introduced) I would hate to think that someone would be chasing me down just because I finally uploaded them to my Ipod.

  • 33 Posted by jt_gal_2007 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:43PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have found that using itunes that you can copy your purchased songs on to a CD. I did it will the 300 soundtrack i purchased. When you add it to a playlist and start to burn the CD a new window will open up and tell you that you only have so many more times that you can copy the song(s) that you are putting on the the CD. I would think that the same applies to the DVD but im not for sure.

  • 34 Posted by mrssjs54@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:28PM EDT Report Abuse

    I think the movie and music industry are going after the wrong people. If copying CD's or DVD's are illegal then they should go after the companies that make the technology available to do this. People have been tapeing songs off the radio for years. I have a program that allows me to put digital pictures and music (my CD's, programs music &/or purchase music from them)on a CD. I use this to make vacation, birthday, holiday, etc. CD's vs. printing pictures for an album. Is this illegal? Again, go after the manufactures of the equipment and programs and then you won't have individuals breaking the law.

  • 36 Posted by ashokwarrier@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:58PM EDT Report Abuse

    These murky waters are why it is now impossible to regulate media. Without the need for a physical product anymore, there is simply no way to monitor something's use. For music, it is only a matter of time that all recorded music becomes public domain...it simply has no more monetary value. Artists will have to be content with making money from live performance/merchandise. The record companies will have to shift to being all promotion/marketing. They can try all they want to make money from digital files, but it is simply too late. As far as movies, it gets trickier and I don't know how that would work, but I sense it will be similar.

  • 37 Posted by cagilbert4339 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:16PM EDT Report Abuse

    Sometimes the law and common sense diverge, in which case, I always begin with common sense. The author, composer, artist, or whoever originated the CD or DVD deserves, and has a right, to profit from their intellectual or creative effort, not you. So, if you are making a copy for your own use, from an original that you have personally purchased - cool. If you are making a copy from a copy or from an original that you did not personally purchase (borrowed origninals are a no-no) then you are making a copy of something that you do not have the right to do, and that is counterfitting - clearly illegal. If you are selling, or profitting from a copy, then you are a pirate, also clearly illegal. Hey, I know common sense a rare commodity these days, and although I don't necessarily attribute common sense to politicians and law makers, sometimes good sense is reflected in the law.

  • 39 Posted by brendapace3@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:12PM EDT Report Abuse

    LAWS LAWS LAWS WHAT THE heck YOU BUY THE CD/DVD ONCE YOU BUY THEM YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH IT THEY GOT THE MONEY FOR IT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO BACKUP THEM UP WHEN YOU PAY 20.00 A POP FOR THEM THEY CAN DAMAGE SO EASY AND THEN YOU OUT 20.00 AND SOME ARE MORE THEN THAT

  • 40 Posted by bekuhrs@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:04PM EDT Report Abuse

    According to stevedykstra, above: "If CD's and DVD's degrade over time that's what we bought. We bought degradable formats with no legal right to transfer that material to more lasting media or to make succesive copies so we never lose the data." This is at the root of the problem that I have with the music industry, and the reason that I disagree heartily with the argument that ripping CDs = theft of intellectual property. When the RECORD companies began phasing out LPs and cassettes, the argument they presented for the elimination of existing formats was that CDs represented a PERMANENT medium for their product. They were marketed specifically as a format that would not be subject to the degradation of other forms of recorded music. Not subject to melting/warping/scratching and other physical pitfalls of LPs, CDs were supposed to be a panacea for music collectors in their efforts to preserve their collections indefinitely. It became a pretty expensive proposition if you had more than a hundred albums to replace. Trust me. I used to throw together a pretty mean mix tape. Now I do the same with legally acquired digital tracks on CD. Hoping you are the same!

  • 41 Posted by luvliness2000 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:00PM EDT Report Abuse

    i keep hearing people say that once you buy a cd or dvd, its okay to copy it for your personal use as backup, in cas ethe orignal is destroyed.. but if your orginal is destroyed..shouldnt you have to buy another one if you want to keep watching or listening to it? i mean once the orignal is damaged your just like every other joe out there now who dosent have that particular piece of work..and just like them..you should have to buy it to hear or see it again. thats like haveing 2 for the price of one..to me its still stealing. everytime i have broken a cd i went out and rebought it..same for dvd's. when i wanted them on my ipod..i went online and bought the ipod version of it *shrug*

  • 42 Posted by luvliness2000 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:00PM EDT Report Abuse

    @ mrssjs54@sbcglobal.net if the music industry "go after the companies that make the technology available" to copy things illeagly..that would make every person who ever copied something illeagly innocent..to say that would be like saying every person who ever shot and killed somebody is innocent becasue its really the gunmakers fault, or is the stormagaers fault for selling them the gun. lol thats a bit farfetched at best. people need to be repsonsible for thier own actions. you knew what you were doing when you dl'ed or copied that work of art..you should pay the concequnce. now even though i disagree with people copying things for thier own personal use (as was the case in orginal question) i can see them being innocent of any wrong doing..but for those with the intent to sell..yeah..they are dead wrong and they know it..dont go blaming it on the company that sold you your wonderful little doohicky..its your fault for using it the way you did, not thiers.

  • 43 Posted by jdst.clair@verizon.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:31PM EDT Report Abuse

    I bought the 8 track,the album and the cd of the same thing. It appears to me the artist has been paid for the item.

  • 44 Posted by drbjerkaas on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:48PM EDT Report Abuse

    You know when you buy anything else "right's management" rarely comes into question. Once you buy anything, it's yours. If the artist or studios want them back, they should then solicit you to re-purchase the product you bought. My old albums still tape well and burn well, for my pleasure of course.

  • 45 Posted by defraincbrt@verizon.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:40PM EDT Report Abuse

    They are worried about getting their $$$ !Has anyone seen how much these people make!I seen a report last night that said Brit's ex gets over $30,000 in child support!That is more then I make in a year!So you know her and her record company is making alot more then they should!!All ripping should be legal they still would make more then enough money!!

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