Reader Mail: Is it Legal to Copy CDs and DVDs?

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Reader phil439 writes: Long-time reader, first-time writer. Question for you about making copies of music CDs and movie DVDs. I'm not a pirate or anything, I just want to use the music and movies that I already paid for on my iPod. Am I breaking any laws by ripping CDs and DVDs, so long as I'm not distributing them?

Hey Phil—thanks for writing. Most digital-rights activists (such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation), citing the "fair use" exceptions to U.S. copyright law, argue that you should be able to rip copyrighted CDs and DVDs (ones you own, mind you) for your own personal use. Of course, whether you have the actual legal right to do so is another—and somewhat murky—issue, particularly when it comes to video.

In the case of music, the RIAA (the trade group that represents the music industry) isn't exactly thrilled by the idea of people ripping CDs for their own use, but it isn't going after them, either. Indeed, the issue cropped up when a major newspaper incorrectly reported that the RIAA was suing a listener for merely ripping music tracks off a CD; the RIAA made it clear that it was going after the defendant for putting those tracks in a P2P file-sharing folder, not for the ripping itself. The RIAA stopped short of saying it actually approves of CD ripping for personal use, but for now, the group seems content to let it go.

Ripping DVD movies is a different issue, however. Thanks to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998, it is illegal to crack digital rights management schemes (a.k.a., our old friend DRM) regardless of how you plan on using the protected content. While music CDs don't come with copy protection (although there were a few misguided attempts to do so), just about any copyrighted DVD in your local video store is encrypted by a DRM scheme called CSS (Content Scramble System). If you crack CSS encryption to copy a DVD to your hard drive or iPod (and most DVD-ripping utilities out there do just that), strictly speaking, you're in violation of the DMCA. Now, as my fellow blogger Chris Null has pointed out, the DMCA would seem to conflict with the "fair use" provisions of standard copyright law, but how (and whether) fair use applies to ripping "backup" copies of DVDs remains unclear, and there have been no definitive legal rulings to point the way. (One potential test case—a lawsuit filed against the makers of a digital movie jukebox by the movie industry—has turned into a twisty, back-and-forth battle, with no clear winners or losers.)

So, to summarize: copying CDs for your personal use is fine. Ripping DVDs? You probably won't get hauled into court for putting a movie onto your iPod, but if you really want to know...yeah, you're wading into murky legal waters.

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  • 46 Posted by drm62@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:48PM EDT Report Abuse

    There is the ruling by the courts that you can record show and movies that are broadcast for personal use, along with video rentals and all these same arguments. This was decided back when VCR's first came out, not to mention was it legal to rent out movies. That is why you can rent movies today and why you can use a video recording device. So, short or the courts reversing these rulings, you're probably safe as long as A) you legally attained the movie by recording from a broadcast or buying it and B) do not make it available for other public, but simply for personal use. Copying a DVD is the same argument on a new format. As a disclamer, I am not a lawyer and untill the courts do make some ruling the question will remain open for debate.

  • 47 Posted by holimukei@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:19PM EDT Report Abuse

    I liked the person who started out with a common sense approach. The author or artist has a right to profit from the sale of their work. To copy it to give to someone else cheats them of profiting from the other person buying their work. Copying it and selling it to another is pirating and also illegal. Let's take a book I own. I can read it at home, read it in my car or on an airplane. Same with music, vinyl, cassette, 8 track, or CD. I may want to copy it onto a different format, even MP3 so I can use it in different environments where I might be. This is called fair use. I can make a back up, even if it is copyrighted, because, even if it is designed to degrade, I can have an archive copy. An example is the CD that my computer program came on. I can copy it, put the original in my vault (closet) and use the copy. I cannot copy it onto someone else's computer, that deprives the author of their profit for their work. If my copy gets scratched and doesn't work, I can destroy it and make another "backup." Keep the original in my safe and use the copy. Same for little kids CD's that get all scratched up by their little hands moving them around. DVD's are more complicated. Digital Rights management was to prevent copying. Using a software that decodes the encrypted DVD is illegal as others have commented. But, it is in conflict with fair use and common sense. If I could send back a severely scratched kids DVD and get a new one for a small cost, I'd say never copy. But, some people believe that under fair use, we have a right to make an archival (backup copy) of any media that we have purchased and are not giving or selling to others. Folks I agree with will make a back up copy of their new DVD and put it away. Then use the copy in their portable player in the car or put the one copy on their IPOD or laptop to use on the road or in an airplane. That seems like common sense, but the act of decoding or copying the DVD or encrypted CD is still not legal, but necessary to make a back up copy. Will you be brought into court? Probably not. Just don't steal the author's property by copying someone else's DVD, give a copy free to a friend or sell any copies. The folks who created it have a right to make a profit selling their work.

  • 48 Posted by bicknell1@att.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:06PM EDT Report Abuse

    They should make it leagl to copy cd's and dvd's.. some movies are hard to find and others are not on print anymore, why cant you copy a vhs to dvd and than make another copy for someone else who cant find that certain movie? copyright laws are a joke.

  • 49 Posted by estradal@verizon.net on Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:16PM EST Report Abuse

    I have a zune that storage lot's of music, movies, Tv programs, and other kind of shows. Even zune comes with a softwere to convert muvies and music to any type of file. What's the point ot buy this toys if you are not allowed to play with them. Besides paying for this equipment isn't chip.

  • 50 Posted by sbl1962@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:06PM EDT Report Abuse

    I do know that if you attempt to take a CD back to the store for a refund you will not get one because they assume you have copied it. Since we are already accused of copying the CD when we buy it.Should we be able to copy it? You can answer that one yourself.

  • 51 Posted by clark60@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:26PM EDT Report Abuse

    Buying CDs or DVDs = Something like an Apartment Rentings. (,signing the apartment contract each year = the apartment owner still the owner,)

  • 52 Posted by eeyore_4202001 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:52PM EDT Report Abuse

    I think this whole thing is stupid. If you or someone you know has the c.d that you don't have i think it should be fine. But if you are someone like me and a few other peopl who can't just go out and buy a c.d or whatever then i think it should be alright to burn or ripp or whatever.....This whole thing is getting way out of hand and someone people are paying the price by either going to jail....

  • 53 Posted by ebryant4 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:51PM EDT Report Abuse

    What about ripping a movie you rented? Isn't that illegal?

  • 54 Posted by stacey_carl12904 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:39PM EDT Report Abuse

    well i have 3 kids so why buy 3 copies of the smae cd or dvd when i can burn a copy for each one of them and put the original up for family use. on trips we take the portable cd players and headphones and the portable dvd's(grandma bought all 3 one)and usually they all want the same disc at the same time so thanks to my copies they all have one of there own so do i go to jail because i have figured out how to keep my kids from fighting over one disc?

  • 55 Posted by brianpanlb on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:13PM EDT Report Abuse

    For those of you who are thinking that you should be able to copy at will, not for personal use but for sharing, please, give me a break. Brittany's ex gets 30k is child support, therefore all artist's are wealthy? Um...no. A good number of artists are scraping by, same as everyone else, so when you steal their work, even if you don't profit by it, you could be making the difference between making the rent or not for that artist, or for the artist retaining or losing a recording company contract. Personal use, yes. "Sharing" (aka stealing), no.

  • 56 Posted by totalhdbngr on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:18PM EDT Report Abuse

    djchrysys- talking about a long, run-on sentence! I can't even understand what you wrote.

  • 57 Posted by carpecainem on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:18PM EDT Report Abuse

    If I was homeless, I kinda doubt I'd be ripping cds...

  • 58 Posted by jojo2mag on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:40PM EDT Report Abuse

    Another stupid question here. Is it true that even factory made DVD's are going to degrade in about 20 years? Wouldn't that mean you almost have to make a copy of it eventually if you want to protect your own money? These things add up to quite an investment and personally, I want them to be around as long as I am, or my children, or my children's children. I intend to make sure my kids get their enjoyment out of them just like they enjoy my books and pictures.

  • 59 Posted by dj_k_swift on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:45PM EDT Report Abuse

    Legally you can make a copy, and only one copy, of every CD and DVD that you OWN, OWN being the key word. You are allowed to do so only for back-up purposes and NOT to make a profit from it and once you no longer own the original all copies are supposed to be destroyed. The same applies to CD-ROMS.

  • 60 Posted by dj_k_swift on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:45PM EDT Report Abuse

    Legally you can make a copy, and only one copy, of every CD and DVD that you OWN, OWN being the key word. You are allowed to do so only for back-up purposes and NOT to make a profit from it and once you no longer own the original all copies are supposed to be destroyed. The same applies to CD-ROMS.

  • 61 Posted by gsummerkamp on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:14PM EDT Report Abuse

    What about making one copy from DVD's rented from NetFlix?

  • 62 Posted by clickmetwice on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:26PM EDT Report Abuse

    the whole point is this-going analog to digital changed the world forever-everything will be worthless,have no value after the first copy sold.it is impossible to stop this short of martial law.i would not want to be an artist cause any thing you digitize is essentially worthless.pity to all the artists who post their hard work on a free site such as myspace,etc.to get noticed.its then worthless.and as time goes on and more people have cameras,ability to record ideas,music,etc it will be harder to sell.one poster mentioned to go get your own life instead of watching actors act.life is too short to collect and watch others stuff,make your own but realize there is no real value except to yourself.

  • 63 Posted by michellekai83 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:18PM EDT Report Abuse

    The whole process is broke. The whole "artist needs to profit" is ridiculous - the artist is not profiting, the industry is. By the same logic, I would be arrested for loaning a book to a friend - since I gave the book to a friend w/o paying the publisher. People have been copying LPs to analog tape for decades. Suddenly ripping a CD is illegal? Screw them - If I want a copy of my own CD, or if I want to trade with a friend, or if a friend loans a CD and download it to my computer, or if I take a CD out from the Library, I'm doing it. I believe it or not, I feel no remorse that Sony didn't make an $8 profit on a CD it took them 25 cents to manufacture.

  • 64 Posted by gansky2000 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:06PM EDT Report Abuse

    how about copying CDs from the public library? for personal use, of course.

  • 65 Posted by gmmefuelgmmefire on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:10PM EDT Report Abuse

    As a practical matter, you can copy whatever you want for personal use, regardless of how the lawyers parse the language in the law. If you rip a DVD you paid for, convert it to MP3, and put it on your iPod, just how exactly is anyone going to know?

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