Reader Mail: Is it Legal to Copy CDs and DVDs?

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Reader phil439 writes: Long-time reader, first-time writer. Question for you about making copies of music CDs and movie DVDs. I'm not a pirate or anything, I just want to use the music and movies that I already paid for on my iPod. Am I breaking any laws by ripping CDs and DVDs, so long as I'm not distributing them?

Hey Phil—thanks for writing. Most digital-rights activists (such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation), citing the "fair use" exceptions to U.S. copyright law, argue that you should be able to rip copyrighted CDs and DVDs (ones you own, mind you) for your own personal use. Of course, whether you have the actual legal right to do so is another—and somewhat murky—issue, particularly when it comes to video.

In the case of music, the RIAA (the trade group that represents the music industry) isn't exactly thrilled by the idea of people ripping CDs for their own use, but it isn't going after them, either. Indeed, the issue cropped up when a major newspaper incorrectly reported that the RIAA was suing a listener for merely ripping music tracks off a CD; the RIAA made it clear that it was going after the defendant for putting those tracks in a P2P file-sharing folder, not for the ripping itself. The RIAA stopped short of saying it actually approves of CD ripping for personal use, but for now, the group seems content to let it go.

Ripping DVD movies is a different issue, however. Thanks to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998, it is illegal to crack digital rights management schemes (a.k.a., our old friend DRM) regardless of how you plan on using the protected content. While music CDs don't come with copy protection (although there were a few misguided attempts to do so), just about any copyrighted DVD in your local video store is encrypted by a DRM scheme called CSS (Content Scramble System). If you crack CSS encryption to copy a DVD to your hard drive or iPod (and most DVD-ripping utilities out there do just that), strictly speaking, you're in violation of the DMCA. Now, as my fellow blogger Chris Null has pointed out, the DMCA would seem to conflict with the "fair use" provisions of standard copyright law, but how (and whether) fair use applies to ripping "backup" copies of DVDs remains unclear, and there have been no definitive legal rulings to point the way. (One potential test case—a lawsuit filed against the makers of a digital movie jukebox by the movie industry—has turned into a twisty, back-and-forth battle, with no clear winners or losers.)

So, to summarize: copying CDs for your personal use is fine. Ripping DVDs? You probably won't get hauled into court for putting a movie onto your iPod, but if you really want to know...yeah, you're wading into murky legal waters.

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  • 6 Posted by mystin99@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:32PM EDT Report Abuse

    What about recording movies or shows from cable on to VHS or a DVD-recorder from your TV? Would this be OK? If not why do they sell recorders?

  • 7 Posted by threedog@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:08PM EDT Report Abuse

    The recording industry implies that copying music is "stealing" their intellectual property. My question is this: If I bought an album in the 1970's, and still have that album, then purchased it a couple of years later on eight track, then a few years later, bought the same album on cassette tape, then, agan in the 90's bought the same album on cd... haven't I paid enough for their "intellectual property"? I paid them 4 times already for the same music. I say screw the millionaires that I helped make rich because technology forces me to repurchase their product.

  • 8 Posted by garfield16@verizon.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:06PM EDT Report Abuse

    If a person happens to to own either a cd/dvd. If that person want's to back up either or up. What's the problem? As long as the person does not try selling the copies that he/she happens to make just as a back up file. Does that really make it infrengment of copy right laws or rules? Even if there is no money made from doing so.

  • 9 Posted by jaschild@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:29PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have children and as you know they are not always as careful as adults. I like to make a backup copy of the cds I buy them just in case they scratch or break them. I would like to do the same with my movies. What is the harm? My daughter watches dvds to the point where the freeze up.

  • 10 Posted by namvet173abn@swbell.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:33PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have a question. Does this pertain to all my 8-tracks? I may want to someday copy them just in case they start deteriorating. Same goes for my old 78 rpm's.

  • 11 Posted by rayals@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:30PM EDT Report Abuse

    I dont understand why Sony and such say that ripping /burning of cd/dvd's is illegal when they sell the equiptment to do that. If it is so ilegal why does microsoft Windows Media Player have the ability to 'rip' a cd to your hard drive? Doesn't this sound a little odd? Kida an oxymoron.

  • 12 Posted by wknorr@ameritech.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:48PM EDT Report Abuse

    What about the vinyl records, and cassettes and 8 tracks and CD's that are out of print? It seems to me that copyright holders should be required to make these available at current CD prices. I suspect that there would be a lot less ripping going on. It seems only fair that RIAA require there members to make the music available with the same music quality as the orginal music quality. After all, this whole up roar is about depriving musicians ect of income they would have received had the music been sold. And the RIAA members are in fact preventing the copyright holds from receiving the income due them.

  • 13 Posted by tvstom@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:25PM EDT Report Abuse

    It all sounds so very invasive not to permit people to use their own investments for their own personal use. How many of us growing up were even thinking of personal prosecution when we recorded radio and tv broadcasts through the use of audio and vhs tapes? Nobody, who could not afford it, was purchasing their music and movies all those years ago.

  • 14 Posted by kurt_amy@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:54PM EDT Report Abuse

    I always wondered about all of those tapes I bought when I was a kid back in the 80s. Do I already "own" the rights to the music on those tapes? Why should I have to pay for the songs again just to get them into a different format if another means is available?

  • 15 Posted by stevedykstra@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:43PM EDT Report Abuse

    We have to recognize the difference between what is reasonable or even common and what is legal. If CD's and DVD's degrade over time that's what we bought. We bought degradable formats with no legal right to transfer that material to more lasting media or to make succesive copies so we never lose the data. We bought it is a CD. If we want it as an MP3, technically we have to buy it again. We may be allowed to make back up copies to protect against loss or destruction but not against degradation. We bought the degradation. It's part of the deal whether we like it or not. So, once the original degrade the back up has to degrade too, if you want to be hyper-technical about it. With DVD's you cant even do that becasue the very act of cracking the DRM on the DVD is illegal. Even if the back up is technically legal the act of making the back up isn't. Of course, no one is going to sue us so long as we don't offer these items to others but, technically, all or most of it is illegal.

  • 17 Posted by 3vich@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:42PM EDT Report Abuse

    One thing the article doesn't mention - the software needed to decrypt DVD's is almost impossible to find these days. Web site owners in the US & other countries have been hounded & threatened into dropping it.

  • 18 Posted by rayschwarz@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:31PM EDT Report Abuse

    So everyone do the prudent thing and stop buying copy protectd media. Music?-- go learn to play the violin. Movies?-- go live your own life instead of watching actors pretend to live theirs..

  • 19 Posted by erdprods on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:55PM EDT Report Abuse

    Libraries, like home users, are exempt, as are teachers and educational institutions. Photocopying books is rampant on college campuses where teachers demand 20 reference sources and you need to work on them in your room and 40 students can't check out the same 20 books. That's why every library has a copy machine and Microfische readers with printers on them.

  • 20 Posted by clark60@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:26PM EDT Report Abuse

    in my own words" CDs or DVDs = something like Renting an Apartment." but i dont know, im not a Music Lawyer.

  • 21 Posted by empsonc@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:54PM EDT Report Abuse

    If you have something of value, and you don't want others to make fun or sell them for reasons that could harm others; then I say no one should be able to copy dvds or burn cds unless its for their own use. It probably would take a Philadelphia lawyer to be able to prove all that has been going on like the political smears that are going on not to mention other things that we have all seen on our televisions or heard on the radio.

  • 22 Posted by kglittle@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:50PM EDT Report Abuse

    It isn't just about the product that you buy to play but also what you use to play it on. I am a little bit older than most of you and have been collecting music as a hobby for 50 years now, in my collection I have 78's 45's and 33's I also have 4 tracks 8 tracks & cassettes and even some reel to reel along with my cd's and when is the last time you tried to find equipment to play any of these on except cd's. There are a lot of companies that got rich selling that equipment that also sold music and now they want me to buy the music over again, I have every song that hit the top ten since 1950 and a lot of them you can't even find anymore, so I am forced to burn them myself, if you go into places like best buy and tell them you are looking for a 4 track, 8 track or a turntable they won't even know what you are talking about.

  • 24 Posted by rmmanning@swbell.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:44PM EDT Report Abuse

    Fair use act allows us to make copies or convert music files to be used by the current owner any way we wish as long as we do not give it, or sell it to any one. If you want to give the music to someone you can make a copy of it on an approved music cd and give that cd away (because the royalties are included in the purchase price of the music cd). The reason most people get into trouble is that they either make the files avalible to others or give it to others without consideration for the copyright holder, this same thing applies to all copyrighted material including printed, recorded or over the air. DRM is a different ballgame all together, the law basiclly makes it illegal to distribute any means for decryption, but in many court cases that I have reviewed involving this, the actual possesion of decryption software is not illegal. My understanding after review of the different laws pertaining to this is that fair use and DRM conflict in the area of making copies. Fair use still allows you to make copies but you are not supposed to decrypt any encrypted digital information, unless given permission to do so by the copyright holder, it does not matter if it is a dvd, cd, book, company information or government inforamtion. All that said, music producers don't want you to make copies of the songs you have bought just as much as microsoft does not want you to load their software on more computers than you hold license for. If the technology were not so old, there would DRM implimented. DVD's are not illegal to make a copy if you have permission of the copyright holder, which many give you the right to make copies for your ipod or psp or even put them on vhs if you wish due to the fact that the quality is not the same that is on the dvd. The problem is still that you are not supposed to decrypt them, so to solve this issue many dvd distributers are putting lower quality not encrypted copies on the dvd for this purpose, they usually only allow you to take the copy off the dvd once or twice (require you to connect to internet and enter dvd code). Other than that you just have to buy a new copy every time the one you have becomes unusable.

  • 25 Posted by imasterling on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:23PM EDT Report Abuse

    I think it should be legal for both CDs and DVDs to be ripped if you are using it for personl in home use.

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