Reader Mail: Is it Legal to Copy CDs and DVDs?

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Reader phil439 writes: Long-time reader, first-time writer. Question for you about making copies of music CDs and movie DVDs. I'm not a pirate or anything, I just want to use the music and movies that I already paid for on my iPod. Am I breaking any laws by ripping CDs and DVDs, so long as I'm not distributing them?

Hey Phil—thanks for writing. Most digital-rights activists (such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation), citing the "fair use" exceptions to U.S. copyright law, argue that you should be able to rip copyrighted CDs and DVDs (ones you own, mind you) for your own personal use. Of course, whether you have the actual legal right to do so is another—and somewhat murky—issue, particularly when it comes to video.

In the case of music, the RIAA (the trade group that represents the music industry) isn't exactly thrilled by the idea of people ripping CDs for their own use, but it isn't going after them, either. Indeed, the issue cropped up when a major newspaper incorrectly reported that the RIAA was suing a listener for merely ripping music tracks off a CD; the RIAA made it clear that it was going after the defendant for putting those tracks in a P2P file-sharing folder, not for the ripping itself. The RIAA stopped short of saying it actually approves of CD ripping for personal use, but for now, the group seems content to let it go.

Ripping DVD movies is a different issue, however. Thanks to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998, it is illegal to crack digital rights management schemes (a.k.a., our old friend DRM) regardless of how you plan on using the protected content. While music CDs don't come with copy protection (although there were a few misguided attempts to do so), just about any copyrighted DVD in your local video store is encrypted by a DRM scheme called CSS (Content Scramble System). If you crack CSS encryption to copy a DVD to your hard drive or iPod (and most DVD-ripping utilities out there do just that), strictly speaking, you're in violation of the DMCA. Now, as my fellow blogger Chris Null has pointed out, the DMCA would seem to conflict with the "fair use" provisions of standard copyright law, but how (and whether) fair use applies to ripping "backup" copies of DVDs remains unclear, and there have been no definitive legal rulings to point the way. (One potential test case—a lawsuit filed against the makers of a digital movie jukebox by the movie industry—has turned into a twisty, back-and-forth battle, with no clear winners or losers.)

So, to summarize: copying CDs for your personal use is fine. Ripping DVDs? You probably won't get hauled into court for putting a movie onto your iPod, but if you really want to know...yeah, you're wading into murky legal waters.

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  • 66 Posted by womboughjj on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:49PM EDT Report Abuse

    the US Supreme court already ruled you can make backup copies of any DVD or CD you own. You can not profit from them as in sell them. The only sticking point is making copies of rented movies you lease to watch and keep for yourself.

  • 67 Posted by womboughjj on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:49PM EDT Report Abuse

    the US Supreme court already ruled you can make backup copies of any DVD or CD you own. You can not profit from them as in sell them. The only sticking point is making copies of rented movies you lease to watch and keep for yourself.

  • 68 Posted by mbartfay on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:12PM EDT Report Abuse

    I work for a company that produces extreme quad films and depends on dvd profits to continue to make more films and people copying dvds is really hurting the business. Just because they are not selling them does not mean that it is not effecting sales since they make free copies for all of their friends who in turn do not purchase the dvd. If this trend continues to grow with DVD's and become as common as it is with music CD's(which im sure it will) I don't think many smaller companies will be able to stay in business which in the end is bad for everyone.

  • 69 Posted by bhaalspawneb on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:06PM EDT Report Abuse

    I don't know if this has been said yet or not, but the whole problem is the new technology that has come along makes it possible to copy and distribute movies and music for almost no cost. The industry that makes money off distribution knows that they are not going to make the huge amounts of money from selling us copies. Only a few of them are going to be needed in the future and they are fighting with every resource they have to protect their pocket books. They really don't care if they infringe on your freedom or not, they only care about their cashflow. We need to keep on our lawmakers to ensure our rights are not taken away in this matter.

  • 70 Posted by gcoady06 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:07PM EDT Report Abuse

    I'm curious about something that I don't think has been mentioned here. Are the companies that offer to convert LP's and tapes to CD's in violation of any laws? I've seen companies that offer a service where a customer has old records and tapes that they purchased for their own personal use and the company is just "converting" the album or the tape for the customer who originally purchased it. It is not being re-sold, the customer is just paying for the service of having it converted from an album or tape to a CD. Are these services legal? It would seem that it would be legal but I was wondering if anyone could tell me for certain.

  • 71 Posted by martinclary on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:09PM EDT Report Abuse

    I think the entire industry needs to grow up and adapt to the changing world of digital media and technology. The way the industry earned a buck yesterday might not work today. That's what compounded technology does. Don't try to break the public's legs for wanting to enjoy their purchases on their multiple digital outlets in their own private homes (CPU's, Laptops, Next-gen video game consoles, MP3 or IPODS and etc). I'm sure that blacksmiths were pretty upset that they couldn't sell as many horseshoes back in the day once everyone got a car. They got over it. Maybe they got a job at the automobile factories...

  • 72 Posted by jangleboom on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:28PM EDT Report Abuse

    This is all correct and very good information -- except, and it may seem like a minor point but it isn't, the RIAA does not represent the MUSIC industry, but the RECORDING industry (hence the R). In other words, record companies. RIAA is actually lobbying to reduce the amount of royalties a songwriter or publisher earns for copies of recordings of their songs. Songwriters, of which I am happily one, are part of the bedrock of the music industry but I would not say RIAA represents us so much. :-) Otherwise, very good article.

  • 73 Posted by darthmetalhead1 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:37PM EDT Report Abuse

    Personally I think this whole copyright law thing stinks when it comes to music. There are some people in this world that barely make enough money every month to buy (epecially) a cd because they love music so much. The artist doesn't make barely make a dime out of every cd that is purchased anyways. It's the music and movie industries that are profiting from it. Why the heck would they need to put a restriction on cd's and dvd's when we need to be worrying about things like giving people more jobs so they can make a living. Or people that are making a living better jobs so they can buy more cd's every paycheck. Why don't we start putting restictions on laundry detergent also. From now one when your neighbor wants to borrow soap, or seasonings or just salt tell them you can't do that. You don't own the rights and you need to buy your own. I completely understand if someone is copying the music and selling it for money. But majority of the actors and artists don't get a lick from the sale. The music and movie companies probably got handed millions of dollars when they were kids and never had to earn a dime..they just sat behind their desk and acted like they were on top without working for it. What about the health care system in US why aren't we more worried about that or how about the troops that are fighting for our country everyday and losing their lives. Why are we worried about such small petty crap like this. People have been copying music for years because it allows the listener to become a new fan and draw interest for the future. Many people can't purchase $20 for every cd they want because by the time they are done buying every cd they want they will have just about spent their entire check and don't have enough for bills. I always enjoy buying a new cd or 2 every time I get paid but I don't have the money to buy every cd I want.. I own an ipod and backup the music for my personal use. I rather listen to my entire cd collection on my ipod vs. buying an extra copy of that same cd for my car to what..wait for someone to steal my cd collection out of my car? I enjoy music soo much that I do enjoy buying a new cd but my tastes of what I want to listen to changes by the day. I'm not going to lug around my 700-900 cd collection with me and wait for someone to rip me off so I can spend another $10,000 for the same cd again. Also what about the rare cd's that you can't buy anymore. Perhaps if the music industry would stop putting these great cd's especially soundtracks out of print perhaps people wouldn't be copying other people's copies so they can enjoy that same music. Personally I think people need to stop buying cd's from stores like Best Buy and get that same cd at used stores like Dimple. You can get the same value cd for just $6 to $12 vs. spending anywhere from $13-$20 at Best Buy. Again the original artist doesn't make a scratch from the cd bought anyways. Most artists make their money at concerts.

  • 74 Posted by kenedw55 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:49PM EDT Report Abuse

    The person who wrote in about making copies from DVD's borrowed from a library is rationalizing his theft. It is no more legal to make copies of library material than to make copies of a book at the library. Everything has a copy right, that means you cannot copy it. The only difference is if you buy a DVD you can make one back up copy for your own use only. Make one of a CD to play in your car which is likely to be damaged is OK, but keep the original in a bookcase. By a Lawyer in Oregon.

  • 75 Posted by charlesburns70 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:22PM EDT Report Abuse

    If they really wanted to reduce Piracy they could lower the costs of DVD/CDs.

  • 77 Posted by j.m6317 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:26PM EDT Report Abuse

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  • 78 Posted by andycabs41 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:54PM EDT Report Abuse

    Looking for a good program to use to convert DVD to ipod? Use DVDfab Platinum. Its not free but its pretty much one click and will rip..encode..convert to a multitude of different formats

  • 79 Posted by opus94 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:46PM EDT Report Abuse

    What about renting DVD's from Netflix or Blockbuster and then making a copy of it for personal home use? Is that legal? (Not that I do, but I know people who have).

  • 80 Posted by mjm_717 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:23PM EDT Report Abuse

    An awfully long winded,I don't know.

  • 81 Posted by ccphilly1984 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:20PM EDT Report Abuse

    what really gets me off is ripping pirates (the digital playground version) to my zune... ARR MATEY! guess putting pirates on my zune to whack off to pirates makes me a pirate... HARDY HAR HAR! I heard jesse jane only likes playing with pirates... so now she's game... everybody rip pirates (the porno version) onto your ipods/zunes/creative jukeboxes... :D

  • 82 Posted by mom2slc3 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:24PM EDT Report Abuse

    My question is where or not it's legal to copy a vidoe on to dvd for the use of a private children's lending library. One copy is all. For one thing, it would ensure that our original isn't lost and secondly, lots of folks are not even using their vcrs any longer. So...it's for a good cause but is it legal?

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