Apple TV (or Vudu, or Xbox Live) vs. movies by mail

Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:15PM EDT

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Not sure which of the new TV set-top boxes is right for you? Well, if you're already a Netflix or Blockbuster subscriber, maybe it's not a question of which box you want, but whether you really need one. Here's how TV set-top boxes stack up to old-school DVD-by-mail services.

Delivery
Here's the most tempting reason to snap up a TV set-top box—instant gratification. With services like Apple TV, the Xbox Video Marketplace, Vudu, and Amazon Unbox via TiVo, you'll typically be able to start watching your movie within minutes—if not seconds—of hitting the "Rent Now" button, while Vudu tees up its movies instantly, provided you've got a decent broadband connection.

By-mail DVDs, as I'm sure you're aware, require a bit more patience. If you live near a distribution center, you can typically count on getting the next movie in your queue within a day after the service receives the last disc you sent back (or at least, that's been my experience with Netflix in the New York area). Those in rural areas may have to wait for days longer. And while Blockbuster offers in-store trade-ins, let's face it—you can't ready argue with "right now." Winner: Set-top box

Note: Netflix offers about 7,000 "watch instantly" titles, but you can only watch them on a PC—not on your TV.

Selection
Set-top boxes might have the edge in terms of delivery, but online services like Netflix and Blockbuster blow away their digital competitors in the selection department. Apple TV and the Xbox Video Marketplace, for example, each offer fewer than 500 movies for rent, while Vudu and Amazon Unbox fare better with several thousand each. Netflix, on the other hand, has a staggering 90,000-plus DVDs in its library—pretty much everything, in other words. Winner: Movies by mail

Video quality
While most of the set-top box services say their standard definition movies look just as good as DVD, the truth is that downloaded SD movies typically look softer and blockier than their DVD counterparts—indeed, over-the-Net HD movies may look only a little better than DVD quality. Why? Because video files are heavily compressed for faster downloads, and that means video quality suffers.

Of course, I've seen plenty of poorly mastered DVDs, as well, and if you're talking about a drama like, say, "The Hours," then a standard-def download will probably suit you just fine. But if you want to see "Transformers" in all its HD glory, you can't beat the physical HD DVD (or eventually, Blu-ray) version. Winner: Movies by mail

Sound quality
Full 5.1 Dolby Digital soundtracks are somewhat hit-and-miss when it comes to downloadable movies. For example, the HD version of "Transformers" on Apple TV has a 5.1 soundtrack, but not so for 2000's action-fest "X-Men." Meanwhile, most of the SD movies on set-top boxes are relegated to matrixed, two-channel Dolby Surround only.

On disc, however, if a given movie was released with a Dolby Digital and/or DTS surround soundtrack (and most movies made after 1994 were), you'll most like get it on DVD, Blu-ray and/or HD DVD. And if you're into new surround formats like Dolby Surround EX or DTS-HD Master Audio, disc is the only way to go. Winner: Movies by mail

Extra features
Set-top box movies may arrive instantly, but if you want extra features, you'll be pretty much out of luck. A few of the online services are gearing up for basic extras such as, say, commentary tracks, but for the most part, chapter stops are the most you'll get. Cinephiles who want all the deleted scenes, storyboards, and "making of" documentaries will be better off with discs. Winner: Movies by mail

Prices
Let's start with the boxes themselves: Apple TV goes for $229 (40GB) or $329 (160GB), while the 250GB Vudu and the 20GB Xbox 360 go for $299 and $350, respectively. You can get a non-HD TiVo for as little as $99, but you'll also owe $13 a month in service fees. Meanwhile, you can get a decent DVD player for $50 or less, while top-notch upscaling DVD decks go for between $100 and $150.

None of the set-top box services offer subscription plans yet, so you'll have to rent a la carte, and prices are somewhat high: typically $3 for catalog titles, $4 for new releases, and $5 and up for HD movies.

Netflix and Blockbuster, of course, have their various "X number of DVDs at a time" plans, ranging from one at a time for about $9 to about $16-$17 for three at a time. (Blockbuster also has pricier plans that allow for in-store trade-ins.)

For the sake of argument, stacking the $17 three-at-a-times plan against a la carte movie downloads…the $17 subscription equals about four or five movie downloads, depending on your mix of newer and older titles. Rabid by-mail movie watchers, on the other hand, could probably squeeze in, oh...about 20 movies, depending on the reliability of their mail carriers. Winner: Movies by mail

And the winner is...
As I wrote above, it's hard to argue with set-top boxes when it comes to the instant gratification factor, and hey, they're cool gadgets—I've got both Apple TV and the Xbox 360, and I get a kick out of renting movies on them. And will downloads eventually take over the DVDs-by-mail business? Probably, yeah.

That said, dollar-for-dollar and taking into account selection, overall sound and video quality, plus bonus features. movie-by-mail services—low-tech though they may be—still take the cake. Winner: Movies by mail

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  • 6 Posted by fuzzy_76 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:04PM EDT Report Abuse

    the netflix box coming out this summer will be the item to get.

  • 7 Posted by biggulp on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:07PM EDT Report Abuse

    Now, if Netflix were to sign a deal with TiVo to deliver movies ala Amazon's Unboxed, THAT would be a killer alliance. With Unboxed featuring newer movies and TV shows for fees, and Netflix offering older movies for free... Heck, they could even say you could only have so many movies uploaded at one time to prevent someone from running up the bandwidth. Only, I don't think Amazon would let that happen; free movie downloads (even older ones) might eat some of their profits from the venture.

  • 8 Posted by rjkenney on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:42PM EDT Report Abuse

    Why limit STB to Apple TV and XBox? Comcast On-Demand provides HD quality movies in stunning clarity and 5.1 sound. The signal has been compressed so is still inferior to HD-DVD or Blu-Ray but much better than standard DVD. Including this I give Video quality to STB, and a tie on sound quality. I agree selection is limited but my guess is most people are renting recent releases which are generally available.

  • 9 Posted by carolsky9 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:18PM EDT Report Abuse

    It's Vudu by a landslide. You can get it cheaper on Netflix, but that's about all. You can get the name with Apple but 1/10 the movies and 1/2 the storage. But...With Vudu, you can screen for the category you want among about 20, cross filter a number of ways, and filter for only 4 or 5+ critic rated movies. That means you only see good movies in your list. Then, you can preview the movie and watch the first 2-3 minutes for free before you decide. You can't do that by mail or with any other download servies. Someone suggested in your last article comments the title, something like "never see a bad movie again." Only Vudu gives you the instant gratification, great category screening, filters for only good movies, and previewing.

  • 10 Posted by henryweill on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:18PM EDT Report Abuse

    I agree that Vudu is far superior. Netflix is cheaper, but that is all they have to offer. Vudu has the filter for only good movies, much better getting around on the screen to get great movies of your choice, instant previews to help you decide if its the way you like it, etc. Click and it starts. Apple has only one tenth of the movies of Vudu. Its good only if you don't mind watching podcasts and Utube that look like the grain fields of Kansas. Vudu is beating them badly in an area where they should have done well, and their recent upgrade was far short of what it should have been. I'm really disappointed with Apple.

  • 11 Posted by stanl.schwartz on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:39PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have an AppleTV and it's pretty good but not as good as I wanted. I can return it. Vudu sounds very good from those who seem to already have it. Does anyone else have the filter to give you only good movies? Does anyone else have the preview ability. I'll apppreciate any comments, as I probably have a short window before I can return this. Thanks Stan

  • 12 Posted by passingthrough4 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:00PM EDT Report Abuse

    Great blog. Now to rumor control. My understanding is that Nexflix will be coming out with its own set top box. Sometime this summer. Umph! Rumor or fact?

  • 13 Posted by phyllis.namrow on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:10PM EDT Report Abuse

    Netflix has been trying for two years to develop a set-top box.. They threw in the towel recently and said they had reached an agreement with LG, if I remember rightly to start over. It was a good spin if you didn't know they had been trying for the previous two years. Unfortunately, Netflix has been losing a price war with Blockbuster and is going to have to sell out to some one. (I checked their financial statement online.) Even if LG develops a settop box, it's the software, the interface and compression algorythms, not the hardware, that are the difficult thing. Its with the software that Vudu is ahead of Apple and Netflix is a mail-from-the-warehouse company. It does not look good for Netflix, which has certainly been a good company, now facing big trouble in a new download world.

  • 14 Posted by ron.reichel on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:49PM EDT Report Abuse

    Blockbuster is the other company in trouble I just checked their financials and they aren't going anywhere but slowly down.) They got the wrong business plan. They should probably buy Vudu, but they probably don't have enough money and Vudu probably doesn't need to sell to anyone. In which case, they should work out a deal. Good, well-known brand should have something good to offer to Vudu, which seems to have the best engineering around and seems highly aggressive.

  • 15 Posted by yeoldetechy on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:56PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have been lucky enough to review the VUDU product. It is simply outstanding. There are some things you lose, for example, special features. But the ease of watching a movie is terrific, and the quality is very good. See here: http://yeoldetechy.blogspot.com/2008/03/vudu-evaluation.html

  • 16 Posted by moveleft on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:27PM EDT Report Abuse

    To DOUG.HUELSMAN: while you can rig a laptop to play a Netflix download on your TV, the quality is horrible, especially on a widescreen set. The movies and TV shows on iTunes are compressed digital files that are designed to be watched on a device as small as an iPod and as large as a widescreen TV (via AppleTV) with little or no loss of image quality. The downloads from Netflix and Amazon Unox are designed to be viewed on a small computer monitor. I've seen both blown up on 40+ inch TV sets and I found them to be unwatchable, especially for a two hour movie. Both services are also PC-only unlike iTunes which offers downloads for both Mac and PC.

  • 17 Posted by moveleft on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:27PM EDT Report Abuse

    Vudu is great if all you want to do with your $295 box is watch a movie or TV show and don't want to be on the hook for a monthly fee from Netflix. With Vudu, your options end there. Any movies you rent or buy are stuck in the Vudu box. Content portability is not an option and the service is not nearly as versatile as iTunes and AppleTV. In an age of integrated home networks, a stand-alone service like Vudu has very limited appeal. While Vudu might have more movies now, Apple just entered the rental market. Give them a little time. Like Vudu, Apple has agreements with all major studios and already has the better HD movie download option with more HD titles, better HD image quality and a price point that is $1.00 less than Vudu for a new HD movie rental (all other prices are identical between the two services). Vudu cannot compare to iTunes when it comes to the library of available TV series. The Vudu box is not wirelss. The AppleTV box is. AppleTV integrates fully with your iTunes library. Vudu? Nope. That means your entire podcast, music, movie and TV library in iTunes can be watched/listened to on AppleTV. Vudu? Nope. AppleTV also allows you to watch YouTube content on your TV w/o ever turning on a computer. Vudu? Nope. You can also stream all of your personal photographs to AppleTV and share them with friends on your widescreen TV set (with slideshow options that allow you to display the photos with musical accompanyment from your iTunes library). Vudu? Nope. I can watch iTunes content on my AppleTV, iPhone, iPod or computer (PC and Mac). Vudu? Nope. The Vudu box reminds me of that MovieBeam set-top box that went belly up last year. Single purpose set top boxes just don't make much sense these days. I wish Vudu well but it seems to be a service with limited appeal and a limited shelf life.

  • 18 Posted by farrar.justin on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:58PM EDT Report Abuse

    this sentence in the article "Note: Netflix offers about 7,000 "watch instantly" titles, but you can only watch them on a PC%

  • 19 Posted by amach.umich on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:51PM EDT Report Abuse

    Here is a link where you can vote for Apple TV or similar media streamer. There are totally 8, inclusing XBox, Tivo, Vude. Intersting to see who wins. Link is here of the poll - http://www.appleteevee.blogspot.com/

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