Hands-on with iTunes 8 and Genius playlists

Tue Sep 9, 2008 6:21PM EDT

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The new music recommendation feature in the updated iTunes promises will make playlists of songs in your library that "go great together"—or at least, that's what Steve Jobs promised during Tuesday's Apple event. But does Genius have perfect pitch, or a tin ear?

Here's how Genius works: One you've upgraded and launched iTunes (which will automatically start processing your album art for the new "grid" browsing view—get ready to wait), you'll see a new sidebar on the right. That's the Genius sidebar, and you'll get the option of turning it on or leaving it off and hiding it.

If you decide to turn Genius on, iTunes will start scanning your entire music library—a process that could take some time, depending on how many tunes you've got (my 3,400-song library took about 40 minutes, albeit on my aging PowerBook G4). After that, iTunes sends all the info it's gathered up into the "cloud," where it'll mingle with the song information from other Genius users. (Jobs says your song info will be anonymous; still, if you're paranoid, you should probably just turn Genius off.)

Once your tunes are all processed, you're ready to start Geniusing. Click a song in your iTunes library, and the Genius sidebar refreshes itself with recommendations from the iTunes music store—most of which were pretty obvious, such as other albums and tracks by the song's artist. If Genius doesn't recognize the song (which happened a lot, especially for my classical and electronic music), it'll just list the most popular songs (in the same genre, if possible) on the iTunes store.

Not too exciting so far, but the big draw of Genius is its automatic playlists, built just for you. All you have to do is select a song and click the Genius button in the bottom-right corner or iTunes; instantly, a playlist of anywhere from 25 to 100 pops up based on the song you picked. (You'll also be able to create Genius playlists—on the fly—on the new iPod Nano and Touch.)

So, how well does it work? Well … hit and miss, at least for me. A Genius playlist based on "Bad to the Bone" got me "Renegade," "Whip It," "Long Cool Woman," and "Panama"—not bad. But I also got "Old Man" by Neil Young (maybe just a shift change), "Nothing Compares 2 U" (hmmm), and "Don't Go Breaking My Heart" (double hmmmmm).

I tried some other playlists, and in general, I got about 80 percent hits, 20 percent misses—fair, but not a lot better than the other music recommendation engines I've tried (and never used again).

Of course, Genius' picks and recommendations are supposed to get better as time goes on, and as more users send their library info to the iTunes "cloud." Given that, I should probably give Genius the benefit of the doubt, especially on day one.

Still, I wish there was a way to tell Genius that you liked a particular pick or hated it, or to filter the choices in some way (as you can do with iTunes' Smart Playlists).

I also noticed that for now, at least, Genius failed to recognize many of the songs in my library—especially those that aren't for sale on iTunes. That might not be a problem for those with mainstream tastes, but if you've got a lot of avant-garde or otherwise obscure tracks in your iTunes library, Genius might come up empty more often than not.

Want to give Genius a try? It's available now as part of the free iTunes 8 upgrade, and you can grab it right here.

So, Genius impressions, anyone? Let us know.

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  • 1 Posted by downwithvivid on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:47PM EDT Report Abuse

    It seems like the cloud should and will benefit from more users. For example, with Genius not recognizing your classical or electronic music - I'm sure due to the unpopularity and obscurity, it would make sense for you to get more hits when more people with your taste participate with the program. I happen to rank my electronic (House) as a favorite with jazz, but I do have a lot of classical as well. I'll update iTunes in a couple hours; perhaps you should try Genius again and see if my contribution to the cloud doesn't help you out with recommendations. I have a feeling that the cross comparing/recommendations should improve as time goes on.

  • 2 Posted by stasquatch44@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:39PM EDT Report Abuse

    Genius is a good idea if you want to make a quick play list based off a song and you wanna have a similar theme to the play list but as a whole it is not that impressive in my opinion. As for the grid i like it better than cover flow. I have almost 1000 songs on my laptop and cover flow lags the whole thing up but the "grid system" manages the songs and albums quite well.

  • 3 Posted by vanmo92 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:31PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have had about the same experience with it as you.

  • 4 Posted by eisosdesign on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:52PM EDT Report Abuse

    I'm dubious about Genius, iTunes can't even identify cover art correctly for a lot of albums. How's it going to identify genres and "moods" of songs that are admittedly obscure, but are still widely listened to? The worst on the automatic cover art identification is that some Zeppelin albums come up with that awful Dred Zeppelin cover! I am looking forward to the grid view though, so I'll probably upgrade this weekend.

  • 5 Posted by refined_insanity on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:35PM EDT Report Abuse

    Genius failed to recognise most of my library too, but the bulk of my library is from CDs and I don't tend to fill in all information, just Song, Album and Artist names and Year. In the album name I tend to put the year in brackets (eg "Album Name (2008)"), so maybe that's not helping the Genius thing?? I hope it improves though, it's a good idea, if it gets to a point where it works well. I already get a lot of music from the iTunes Store's "Just for You" feature, so Genius seems like a logical extension of that.

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