Hands-on with iTunes 8 and Genius playlists

Tue Sep 9, 2008 6:21PM EDT

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The new music recommendation feature in the updated iTunes promises will make playlists of songs in your library that "go great together"—or at least, that's what Steve Jobs promised during Tuesday's Apple event. But does Genius have perfect pitch, or a tin ear?

Here's how Genius works: One you've upgraded and launched iTunes (which will automatically start processing your album art for the new "grid" browsing view—get ready to wait), you'll see a new sidebar on the right. That's the Genius sidebar, and you'll get the option of turning it on or leaving it off and hiding it.

If you decide to turn Genius on, iTunes will start scanning your entire music library—a process that could take some time, depending on how many tunes you've got (my 3,400-song library took about 40 minutes, albeit on my aging PowerBook G4). After that, iTunes sends all the info it's gathered up into the "cloud," where it'll mingle with the song information from other Genius users. (Jobs says your song info will be anonymous; still, if you're paranoid, you should probably just turn Genius off.)

Once your tunes are all processed, you're ready to start Geniusing. Click a song in your iTunes library, and the Genius sidebar refreshes itself with recommendations from the iTunes music store—most of which were pretty obvious, such as other albums and tracks by the song's artist. If Genius doesn't recognize the song (which happened a lot, especially for my classical and electronic music), it'll just list the most popular songs (in the same genre, if possible) on the iTunes store.

Not too exciting so far, but the big draw of Genius is its automatic playlists, built just for you. All you have to do is select a song and click the Genius button in the bottom-right corner or iTunes; instantly, a playlist of anywhere from 25 to 100 pops up based on the song you picked. (You'll also be able to create Genius playlists—on the fly—on the new iPod Nano and Touch.)

So, how well does it work? Well … hit and miss, at least for me. A Genius playlist based on "Bad to the Bone" got me "Renegade," "Whip It," "Long Cool Woman," and "Panama"—not bad. But I also got "Old Man" by Neil Young (maybe just a shift change), "Nothing Compares 2 U" (hmmm), and "Don't Go Breaking My Heart" (double hmmmmm).

I tried some other playlists, and in general, I got about 80 percent hits, 20 percent misses—fair, but not a lot better than the other music recommendation engines I've tried (and never used again).

Of course, Genius' picks and recommendations are supposed to get better as time goes on, and as more users send their library info to the iTunes "cloud." Given that, I should probably give Genius the benefit of the doubt, especially on day one.

Still, I wish there was a way to tell Genius that you liked a particular pick or hated it, or to filter the choices in some way (as you can do with iTunes' Smart Playlists).

I also noticed that for now, at least, Genius failed to recognize many of the songs in my library—especially those that aren't for sale on iTunes. That might not be a problem for those with mainstream tastes, but if you've got a lot of avant-garde or otherwise obscure tracks in your iTunes library, Genius might come up empty more often than not.

Want to give Genius a try? It's available now as part of the free iTunes 8 upgrade, and you can grab it right here.

So, Genius impressions, anyone? Let us know.

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  • 6 Posted by morbid_fascination_of_death2000 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:26PM EDT Report Abuse

    I don't care what people say, I still think Winamp is still the best overall audio player for the internet. I think Windows Media sucks more than anything, but good for videos. Even with Winamp, I'd still use my iPod.

  • 7 Posted by jrcjer on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:42PM EDT Report Abuse

    I dunno. I made a genius playlist based on Rhett Miller's "Come Around" and it worked nearly flawlessly (ok, there were a few songs that didn't seem to fit genre, but i just deleted them from the list and refreshed)

  • 8 Posted by gregfountain on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:12PM EDT Report Abuse

    This is really cool if you just want to group a bunch of songs based on your mood. If you want to listen some mellow music, click on a mellow song and let genius build a playlist of mellow songs. Yes, it's not perfect, but it's a lot easier for me to delete a handful of songs from a genius playlist, than to click and drag the songs I want to a playlist I build myself....The possibilities are endless!

  • 9 Posted by constellationboy on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:29PM EDT Report Abuse

    Okay, I have over 6,000 songs on my iTunes. I'm interested in how well this will work out for me. I'll try it.

  • 10 Posted by rocker1974@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:47PM EDT Report Abuse

    first and formost the new design of the album covers in a grid i like. how ever the Genius is not a genius at all in fact it put in a song i hardly listen to and made a play list out of.it tells me i need to buy songs that are on the cd that it says i have. wow im totalley impressed (not). over all it is about the same as the old version. with the exception of the play list format.and an improvment that apple should make is the cover art i have had to add most art myself i find it on there sight but it dont seem to know what my cd is. apple you can do better than this i hope.

  • 11 Posted by wingerx1 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:47PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have one too many songs in my library (34.98 Gigs to be exact), and I have yet to get around to looking at what music I actually have. So I hope this can help me explore what music I actually have.

  • 12 Posted by alocard1134 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:51PM EDT Report Abuse

    Upgrade! I took the time to fill in the info on the albums i have, if you select all the songs in an album and then click get info you can edit them all at once. Genius works great. I have a huge library and i have not gotten a single song from iTunes. ALL, yes ALL of my music is from CD's. I enjoy the grid view and now use it more than cover flow.

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