Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:44AM EDT
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Reader Jimmy writes: Do home surround sound systems come with speaker wire? If not, what kind will I need?
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Heavier wire is always better, you want as little resistance as you can get between the amp & the speakers and longer runs need heavier wire. I like 14 ga myself for the 20 foot runs from my 100 watt amp to the speakers. The "oxygen free" copper scam reminded me of the $500 "compact disk demagnetizer" I saw advertised in a high end audio magazine a few years ago, it was supposed to get you the sparkling highs you were missing. CD's are plastic and aluminum, neither of which can be magnetized.
Poster #6 is correct. For the life of me I can not hear the difference between a 'higher end"/over priced cable sush as monster cable or a cheaper cable such as AR. The real question here is what gauge cable should we be using for specific run lengths? I don't agree with using the stiffer cable over the more flexable type jacket. The stiffer stuff does degrade. http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/ISEO-rgbtcspd/learningcenter/home/speakers_wire.html Check this link above for what gauge wire you need for your speaker run. Also you do want to use equal lengths. If one speaker is 20ft from your stereo and the other is 9ft. The 9ft run is getting more current. So it may be a bit louder because it is getting more current. Kinda like a water hose.
That is about the biggest piece of nonsense i've seen written in quite some time.Anyone with $8000.00 speakers won't even be considering the gauge of the wire. The electromagnetic considerations and the configuration or design of the wire would be a larger issue. For your information that same purchaser of said speakers would be looking at spending thousands on wire as well. At the top end of the scale, no wire manufacturer uses just copper. It is usually a mix of copper and silver or just silver - sometimes even gold and silver. Cables sound as unlike each other as any other component in the system. If you're in the market for a $299.00 surround receiver than by all means buy wire of an appropriate dollar figure. But to imply that the only difference between a $1000.00 system and one fifty times that amount is that your needs might include a heavier gauge because it might involve a powerful amplifier is ludicrous. In fact most, if not all buyers of highend equipment are after the subtleties in music not absolute volume. Audition wires like you would anything else. Listen to them if possible in your own system and if it sounds better then buy them. Avoid detracters who state all wire sounds the same. I don't know Ben Patterson but I hope he isn't paid to write about audio equipment because he is doing an injustice to people new to the hobby of audio/video. Experienced enjoyers of even moderately good equipment don't need to read this as they have discovered the truth for themselves. Time and time again I have read half truths and outright misinformation passed around online like it's gospel. The loser in the end is the neophyte who wastes his money on garbage only to purchase something better a few months later. I hope this doesn't sound angry nor too preachy as it is only meant to help those who really need a qualified answer.
All you need to know about speaker wire is here - www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm This man is the former Director of Acoustic Research at McIntosh Laboratory, Inc. and the originator of McIntosh Loudspeakers. He is also the desingner of the $19,000 IDS-25 speaker system - http://www.ids25.com. If anyone has authority to tell you what size and length of speaker cable you need, he is the man. I will bet you he has a very high end system in his home and doesn't use obscenely priced speaker cables. I purchased 100' of 12 guage speaker wire from www.monoprice.com for $26 for my surround system and added some good quality connectors from www.speakerrepair.com (quality meaning good construction, easy to use and good looking - not that they sound any different) and my system sounds great!
I have a question. I have an Onkyo HT-S780 system. The salesman talked me into getting 12 guage wire. After reading this, I probably would have been fine with the 16 guage that came with the system. Anyway, I ran out of the 12 guage Monster wire and am using the 16 guage wire that came with the system for the back, left speaker. None of the wires are longer than 80'. Does anyone think that there will be a decrease in sound quality coming from that speaker? Thanks.
Properly executed double-blind listening tests have proven again and again that there is no audible advantage to premium grade speaker wire. Any perceived improvement is purely psychological.
Wow. Reading the comments section is hilarious. It appears everyone and their grandmother already has an opinion on speaker wire. Write an article about speaker wire and you get 12 responses, all with their own advice. @#9 - You completely misinterpreted what the author said. He didn't say the only difference between high-end systems and low-end systems is the speaker wire. He said that if you are bothering to put a ton of money into the rest of your system, you probably want to get 12 gauge wire to make sure the signal is perfect. That gauge of wire isn't going to matter for someone like me with a $200 speaker system. @ the author - thanks for the article.
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6 Posted by thxmiker@pacbell.net on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:08PM EDT Report Abuse
All copper wire is Oxygen Free!!!! It is more productive to pull copper wire, hence cheaper to manufacture copper wire in an oxygen free enviroment! The debate over Capcitance and Inductance in speaker wire and that the wind of the wire can solve this is incorrect! Audio frequencies are to low to have these worrys, and darn near every wire manufacturere's coating is thick enough to prevent those two conecrns. (Capacitance and Inductance are inverses of each other electroniclly. So, when you increas one you decrease the effects of the other.) Magnetic Flux is more of a concern, because some amplifiers will have enough current to create this issue. So, do not leave coils of wire between the Speakers and the amplifier. Most people do not listen to their systems much over 5 watts, very low current. The other common myth is that the wire lengths must be the same length. Since electricity moves at the speed of light and not the speed of sound. Even a 100 meter difference in the wire length would not even amount to a .0000000000000001% difference! My 20 years of being a professional Audio/Video Installer and a musician, I can not tell the difference in speaker wire length, and neither can anyone else! Outdoor lighting wire is an inexpensive 12 or 10 gauage wire that is very good to use for speaker wire. Zip cord or lamp wire can be used. It is usually only found in smaller gauges though. If you are putting the wire in the walls, any CL2 Rated stranded "Bell" 12 gauge wire will do fine. If you can only find 16 gauge CL2 wire, buy 2 pair CL2 and double up each side. Common wire practises are Red/Green for Right and Black/White for Left. Red and Black being "hot" colors are used for Positive and White and Green being neutral/ground colors are used for negative. Do not be fooled by the "Audio Voodoo", the more expensive wires are for increasing profit margins! Have Fun!