Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:43AM EST
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The "don't rip off our IP" spat between Apple and Palm continues: Turns out the U.S. Patent Office has gone ahead and awarded Apple a patent covering its "multitouch" technology, including gestures such as "pinching" and "swiping." Will it be the ace up Apple's sleeve?
Apple's newly approved patent (first reported by World of Apple) could spell trouble for Palm and its new, red-hot phone—the Palm Pre—which (among other features) includes a multitouch-enabled touch display, complete with support for (you guessed it) gestures like pinching and swiping.
Yep, it's turning out to something of a feud between the two legendary tech companies, which began last week after acting Apple CEO Tim Cook told investors that while Cupertino "like[s] competition, as long as they don't rip off our IP (intellectual property), and if they do, we're going to go after anybody that does."
Cook didn't mention Palm by name, but given that analysts had just been asking about the Palm Pre and its touch interface, there's no mistaking who he was talking about.
Palm quickly fired back, telling All Things Digital's John Paczkowski that "if faced with legal action, we are confident that we have the tools necessary to defend ourselves."
Brave words indeed—yet just a few days earlier (the news only came to light Monday), the U.S. Patent Office gave its seal of approval to Apple's mammoth, 358-page patent application, which (as VentureBeat details) covers all the broad multitouch concepts, including "detecting one or more finger contacts with the touch display," "applying one or more heuristics to the one or more finger contacts to determine a command for the device," and finally, "processing the command."
Now, personally, I'm not so thrilled with the idea that Apple somehow "owns" the concept (not just the technology, mind you, but the concept) of a multitouch screen. Isn't that antithetical to, you know, the whole idea of this open marketplace that we all know and love?
Maybe so, but that's patent law for you (and as I've said before, I'm no patent lawyer), and the reality is that Apple may well have the law—right or wrong—on its side. Indeed, VentureBeat came up with an apt analogy for the whole Apple-Palm spat: A high-stakes game of poker. Palm called Apple's bluff, and now "Apple has just flipped over its cards, and it looks like a winner hand."
OK, so how does this all play out? As Fortune's Apple 2.0 blog notes, Apple could take its patent, go to civil court, and demand monetary damages along with an injunction. Another (more likely) scenario: The parties could settle, with Palm agreeing to pay Apple a fine and/or licensing fee, allowing the Pre to go on sale as scheduled.
However it shakes out, it looks like we've got a duel on our hands. Stay tuned.
Update: Check out Engadget's exhaustive analysis of the Apple-Palm patent debate, which notes that Apple could end up opening a can of worms if it takes Palm to court: "By suing Palm, Apple's putting its iPhone patents at risk, and that's an awful big ante. Same for Palm if it sues Apple and loses—it stands the risk of losing its patents, and we'd bet it's making a tidy sum licensing at least some of them out to other companies." A fascinating read.
Related:
Apple Awarded Multi-Touch Patent [World of Apple]
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Patents are intended for devices and processes, not for concepts or ideas. Anyone copying and reusing that device or process without permission would then be infringing. However, anyone who found another method of doing the same thing would not be. The real genius of this patent is how Apple found a way to get a concept patented as a process.
This is so ridiculous, so many phones and devices use multitouch now. So whats Apple gonna do about it, sue every company that has a multitouch device? I bet if they could they would also try to patent the touch screen as well.
I'm no patent lawyer either, but if Palm made their device before Apple got the patent, how is it OK for Apple to sue them? Maybe they should have put in for the patent a long time ago, before the technology was out in the open. As far as Palm knew, there was no patent, so why not use the same principle? If Apple should sue anyone, it should be the Patent office for taking too long to approve the patent.
It is like Kleenex patenting its disposable handkerchiefs on grounds that it's designed to stick it to people's noses, and now all stick-in-you-nose disposable handkerchief brands have to pay a fine to Kleenex.
U.S. Patent Growth: 1948 - 20,000 :: 2008 - 200,000 ".. intellectual property rights may become so fragmented that, effectively, no one can take advantage of them as to do so would require an agreement between the owners of all of the fragments [of prior art/works]." [source: wikipedia "Patent"]
Remember people.. Palm has been in the Touchscreen Phone business for MANY MANY years.. and had touchscreen phones YEARS before the iPhone.. They have have touchscreen PDA's.. You seriously think that Apple isnt' infringing on Any of those.. Palm has a warchest of patents.. The Author doesn't bring up the fact that Palm may also have an Ace or 2 and we have no idea what they are. Hope this is some food for thought.
Good for Apple, it is about time they do something about these inferior companies trying to ride the coat-tails of their success.
Hooray for the decision! Apple has been ripped off from the beginning of the computer age. Microsoft has stolen every new innovation from Apple, since 1984. It's about time Apple finally said "No More" to those thieving companies who sit back and wait for new innovations from Apple and then copy them. Let Palm and the other Rats, who steal ideas and concepts, do their own R & D for their products, as Apple does. My opinion is that they just are too dumb to develop new and innovative products!!!!
I demand judicial consistency! When Apple sued Microsoft, because Windows infringed on the IP of Apple's Mac O.S. graphical user interface, the judge in that patent case ruled that Apple could not claim "look and feel" as protectable intellectual property. Clearly, this case between the iPhone and the Pre's gestural user interface is another one of these "look and feel" cases. If the judge rules in Apple's favor here, then they have to go all the way back and rule in their favor in the Microsoft case, which of course would be a disaster!
It's about time. Every phone that comes out wants the be the iPhone killer. Well, sorry, but iPhone is KING around here and its going to stay like that for a while! GO APPLE! And I can't wait for the new iPhone this summer! And the 3.0 firmwire!
Unless the patent was created to insure monopolies, patent enforcement of a "multi-touch" technology is not in the best interest of consuming public. Open competition with "single-touch" screens ultimately lead to "multi-touch" technology, why should a single company put the brake on innovation now? Is there a subject in modern law as contentious and impervious to precedent as patent law? Seems every case must be judged on its own merits - which hopefully balance private profit with public utility.
Apple products are over priced pieces of junk that are marketed toward the supposedly open minded creative individuals. In all reality, these people that sheck out the prices for some of these new "innovative" products are just trying to look cool. I will never own an apple product and to be honest half the time I run into those annoying little hipsters at the airports/coffee shops working on their over priced laptops, I get the need to smash them into little pieces. (the computers not the people). So, screw apple! I hope they get their butts handed to them during this recession. Let's see how many people want to dish out 2x the price for their products.
Apple is the new Standard Oil.
This is how they want to win market share?? By limiting competition. In that caseI have something Apple can patent. It's done with a extended middle finger.
People who work in the patent offices don't understand technology at the level they need to. It's a fairly well known issue in the computer world. Thus all the patents that should be issued and are denied and the patents that shouldn't be issued, but are.
I agree with many of the users on this discussion. Apple wasn't even the first to have the multitouch surface. They may have had it made it in a smaller package, but I do remember Microsoft Surface working the same way. The same goes for HP's TouchSmart computers which use the same basic concept. I think Apple is just a little bit scared. Who was the one with the original idea of touch screen portable technology? Palm! Sorry Apple, not many people care about the iPhone anymore!
Its outrageous that Apple can patent a technology that has been around long before the Iphone. Remember the DS? they were utilizing "swiping" and "pinching" on their games long before Apple even designed their Iphone.
You all should really read up on multi-touch a little more. Use wikipedia and learn something about patents... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch
To rev.moses13, no one said Palm was the first to create a PDA, they were the first to use touch screen technology, which is what this whole debate is about in the first place. Newton was simply a software/hardware platform for a PDA, which has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I agree with most that this is absurd. Woe betide anyone who owns an iPhone (proprietary to the MAX!) if Apple wins this case. You'll have to sell your children to buy something as simple as a car charger.
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6 Posted by blueligerzero on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:09PM EDT Report Abuse
I am curious to see how this would effect the market or as Apple would like to say "Competitors" if they win.