Are Tech Products Less Reliable Today?

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A couple of years ago—say 2003 to 2005—you bought a piece of technology almost expecting that it wouldn't work right out of the box. Hardware vendors were getting squeezed out of business, the number of players in the consumer electronics field was shrinking. And price wars and margins made it tough for manufacturers to do the quality assurance testing they should have.

Experts say that product reliability has continued to improve. But I'm not so sure. My suspicion is that quality assurance may be getting sloppy again. And I'm naming names.

The last four products I bought (or tested) all came with problems on arrival. First there was a new Dell XPS laptop. The display screen was fine if you ran office applications; but if you displayed an image there were red halos and bands. (See photo that I sent to the tech guys.)

Next up was my Kindle book reader, which has intermittent bouts of being unable to connect to the Amazon bookstore. It requires a weekly reboot. Then it was my NeatReceipts. The scanner was wonderful for scanning business cards and receipts, but has problems with 8 x 11 documents and leaves a black stripe down the scan (usually indicative of bad sensors in one place on the scanner). Last, but not least, I was testing an InGrid home security system, and after I went to the trouble of placing sensors in doorways throughout my home, the base station couldn't communicate with them. Diagnostics proved that it was a defective unit. A replacement worked just fine.

So who's right about reliabilty? Me, who sees a new downward trend, or the analysts, who say that things are getting better? I picked 25 random folks from my address book and asked them how their tech lives were faring.

From San Francisco, a mom of three reported that her teenage daughter's Canon SD 600 ELPH died a sad display-death just past the warranty date. Her son's Paparazzi Swatch watch (a discontinued model) took a lot of technician time to set up properly and had extra service charges that were not well documented.

It actually did my heart good to note that Apple users live on Prozac, too. An executive in the entertainment business writes: "I bought my wife and I matching Macs last Xmas. My wife has had hers replaced once and it has been in the shop numerous times. Now mine is on the fritz. We have owned numerous iPods and they go down regularly. The design is beautiful but the quality is weak."

An analyst in Pennsylvania says he thinks I'm just seeing the effects of a mass market. He writes: "Other than the suction cups on my Garmin life has been fine." He adds, "I think I'm buying a lot more CE products than I did in the past, and they are more complex and perform more functions, so I'm thinking that there's a lot more opportunity for things to go wrong."

A New York writer just replaced an old eMachines with a brand new HP minitower. There was a mysterious clicking sound coming from the disk drive, though everything appeared to be working. He had it checked out and, sure ‘nuff, it turned out to be a bad drive. "At this stage of the game bad drives shouldn't be leaving the factory," he says.

Another New Yorker doesn't put much stock in my argument, though he hears more "bad product" stories than ever. He says, "the percentage of gadgets going gimpy is about the same, but there are a LOT more gadgets that bite off more than they can chew." And the only other Kindle user I know? He's having issues with how the unit powers up. Sometimes it goes off and can't be turned back on even after it's been charging all night.

Call me paranoid, but I smell a decline. The profit margins, the increasing demand for products, and the unpredictable nature of electronic components (worse than batches of cookies) all make it tough to make good products.

How can you find out more about which products have better street cred? Both PC Magazine and PC World report on service and reliability issues where they poll a lot more people than I just did.

And feel free to share your reliability experiences.

 

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  • 6 Posted by jirojas on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:35PM EDT Report Abuse

    I've been working at a computer manufacturer for the last 7 years and I can tell you things have gotten worse. There is so much pressure to meet numbers and release products in time to generate revenue that not all is covered and tested properly. So we let our customer service take care of any field problems even though that cost decreases our profit. It's so absurd. Instead of taking the time to do things right is all a rush to get the product out.

  • 7 Posted by pink_ranger05 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:12PM EDT Report Abuse

    It wuold be nice to believe that the price reflected quality but as many have seen in the case of ipods, that is not true. There is a huge problem with the quality of ce today. But what is worse is how much we depend on them. Right now I take my notes for class using my pda, my computer holds my most precious memories (pics, video) and even though I know everything has a chance of crashing I keep on thinking that it wouldn't happen to me. There is only so much precation we can take (backup files) before we go insane with worry. But in the end we all buy new ipods and macs knowing they're going to live up to the failure we all expect. And that is where the companies make their money. If I were them I wouldn't worry about quality either.

  • 9 Posted by irish_trry on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:25PM EDT Report Abuse

    i am a brand-new beginner pre-buyer and am reading as much as possible to help in my quest for the best possible choice in a 500-600 dollar range (I know, don't laugh). I also have a deadline of 2 days in which to send a written price estimate from the manufacturer or retailer I have chosen for my purchase. i am pretty open-minded, so any advice would be welcome. I want it to be practical and multi-purpose, lots of RAM and good for games, digital photos, audio-capable, but not state-of-the-art. most of all reliable (no nightmare breakdowns).Can you help?

  • 10 Posted by uncletonyridesagain on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:28PM EDT Report Abuse

    The HP laptop i bought in 2003 is still going strong for a grad student in Amsterdam, but the same computer with more power and memory that i bought in 2005 had a faulty hinge which wasn't covered under any warranty and i was told that "they probably can't fix it, that's why it isn't covered". so now it flops around and has to be propped up with a book - ironic, eh. making it tough to use as a "laptop". also, the dvd burner conked just after the extended warranty. and i treat it with kid gloves, it's never been mobile, it's always been in the office. and now, sometimes, it takes an inordinate time to boot up, which is scary, but with what do i replace it next time? Is anyone keeping track of the quality? We get lots of WOW factor from new products, but how to monitor the quality under the hood, that's the challenge when most new stuff is old tech with a fancy paint job.

  • 11 Posted by dan_z_2000 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:36PM EDT Report Abuse

    Re: BEST BUY SELLS USED AND DAMAGED PS2 IN A NEW PACKAGE WHEN YOU BUY ELECTRONIC PRODUT, OPEN THE BOX BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE STORE! Dear Sir or Madam: The reason I write to you today is I want you to help me get the story to the public, to everyone, to let them know: WHEN YOU BUY ELECTRONIC PRODUT, OPEN THE BOX BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE STORE! I bought a “new Play Station 2” game system from “Best Buy” on Feb 8, 2008 at 4PM, which located at: 8801 Queens blvd, Elmhurst”. But when I went back to home and open the package box, I found the system is not working at all, even the power could not be turned on, and also I found there is lots of dirt outside the PS2 and inside the CD tray, and lots scratches outside. I realize that the product I just bought and get out from that sealed box is a used, damaged item and switched. Then I want back to the store as soon as I can, want to get my money back. At almost 5PM on the same day, I get back to the store, and I showed them the box and the “PS2”, they told me that they can not take the product back, and they are not going to give me return or exchange, the reason is the label on the back of the “PS2” is been replaced, and the product is damaged. (I bought like that! Oh my god!). I just got that idea at that moment. I am in trouble! Then I looked on that label, it was scanned and printed by some printer. Oh my god! Who did it? … I made lots of phone call to the Best Buy customer service and to SONY Corp. they all told me the same thing, that they can not do anything, I have to keep that PS2. Now I am get stock in there… I really do not know what to do to get my justice! I need help! Even that I cannot get my money back and nothing, I really do not want to see a same thing happen again to any other person. Sincerely yours,

  • 12 Posted by dan_z_2000 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:36PM EDT Report Abuse

    Re: BEST BUY SELLS USED AND DAMAGED PS2 IN A NEW PACKAGE WHEN YOU BUY ELECTRONIC PRODUT, OPEN THE BOX BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE STORE! Dear Sir or Madam: The reason I write to you today is I want you to help me get the story to the public, to everyone, to let them know: WHEN YOU BUY ELECTRONIC PRODUT, OPEN THE BOX BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE STORE! I bought a “new Play Station 2” game system from “Best Buy” on Feb 8, 2008 at 4PM, which located at: 8801 Queens blvd, Elmhurst”. But when I went back to home and open the package box, I found the system is not working at all, even the power could not be turned on, and also I found there is lots of dirt outside the PS2 and inside the CD tray, and lots scratches outside. I realize that the product I just bought and get out from that sealed box is a used, damaged item and switched. Then I want back to the store as soon as I can, want to get my money back. At almost 5PM on the same day, I get back to the store, and I showed them the box and the “PS2”, they told me that they can not take the product back, and they are not going to give me return or exchange, the reason is the label on the back of the “PS2” is been replaced, and the product is damaged. (I bought like that! Oh my god!). I just got that idea at that moment. I am in trouble! Then I looked on that label, it was scanned and printed by some printer. Oh my god! Who did it? … I made lots of phone call to the Best Buy customer service and to SONY Corp. they all told me the same thing, that they can not do anything, I have to keep that PS2. Now I am get stock in there… I really do not know what to do to get my justice! I need help! Even that I cannot get my money back and nothing, I really do not want to see a same thing happen again to any other person. Sincerely yours,

  • 13 Posted by dan_z_2000 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:36PM EDT Report Abuse

    Re: BEST BUY SELLS USED AND DAMAGED PS2 IN A NEW PACKAGE WHEN YOU BUY ELECTRONIC PRODUT, OPEN THE BOX BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE STORE! Dear Sir or Madam: The reason I write to you today is I want you to help me get the story to the public, to everyone, to let them know: WHEN YOU BUY ELECTRONIC PRODUT, OPEN THE BOX BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE STORE! I bought a “new Play Station 2” game system from “Best Buy” on Feb 8, 2008 at 4PM, which located at: 8801 Queens blvd, Elmhurst”. But when I went back to home and open the package box, I found the system is not working at all, even the power could not be turned on, and also I found there is lots of dirt outside the PS2 and inside the CD tray, and lots scratches outside. I realize that the product I just bought and get out from that sealed box is a used, damaged item and switched. Then I want back to the store as soon as I can, want to get my money back. At almost 5PM on the same day, I get back to the store, and I showed them the box and the “PS2”, they told me that they can not take the product back, and they are not going to give me return or exchange, the reason is the label on the back of the “PS2” is been replaced, and the product is damaged. (I bought like that! Oh my god!). I just got that idea at that moment. I am in trouble! Then I looked on that label, it was scanned and printed by some printer. Oh my god! Who did it? … I made lots of phone call to the Best Buy customer service and to SONY Corp. they all told me the same thing, that they can not do anything, I have to keep that PS2. Now I am get stock in there… I really do not know what to do to get my justice! I need help! Even that I cannot get my money back and nothing, I really do not want to see a same thing happen again to any other person. Sincerely yours,

  • 14 Posted by dan_z_2000 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:36PM EDT Report Abuse

    Re: BEST BUY SELLS USED AND DAMAGED PS2 IN A NEW PACKAGE WHEN YOU BUY ELECTRONIC PRODUT, OPEN THE BOX BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE STORE! Dear Sir or Madam: The reason I write to you today is I want you to help me get the story to the public, to everyone, to let them know: WHEN YOU BUY ELECTRONIC PRODUT, OPEN THE BOX BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE STORE! I bought a “new Play Station 2” game system from “Best Buy” on Feb 8, 2008 at 4PM, which located at: 8801 Queens blvd, Elmhurst”. But when I went back to home and open the package box, I found the system is not working at all, even the power could not be turned on, and also I found there is lots of dirt outside the PS2 and inside the CD tray, and lots scratches outside. I realize that the product I just bought and get out from that sealed box is a used, damaged item and switched. Then I want back to the store as soon as I can, want to get my money back. At almost 5PM on the same day, I get back to the store, and I showed them the box and the “PS2”, they told me that they can not take the product back, and they are not going to give me return or exchange, the reason is the label on the back of the “PS2” is been replaced, and the product is damaged. (I bought like that! Oh my god!). I just got that idea at that moment. I am in trouble! Then I looked on that label, it was scanned and printed by some printer. Oh my god! Who did it? … I made lots of phone call to the Best Buy customer service and to SONY Corp. they all told me the same thing, that they can not do anything, I have to keep that PS2. Now I am get stock in there… I really do not know what to do to get my justice! I need help! Even that I cannot get my money back and nothing, I really do not want to see a same thing happen again to any other person. Sincerely yours,

  • 15 Posted by kdan1964 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:48PM EDT Report Abuse

    I would never buy a new pc ever again.....I bought 2 evo compaq buissness pc{ used on E-bay} both with windows xp buissness with the service pack 2 and both work great and I use them hard every day and have only $250.00 total in both of them and that includes shipping. I have a sony digital camera I bought back in 2000 and have used it heavy ever since.....still on the same batery!!..I am not sure I would want to buy the new junk that is out there now. I bought a new.....E-machine back in 2001.....windows xp home edition.....what a piece of junk...that was and what a good lesson learned there...... I think when the manufacture takes short cuts to have low price...many times we the buyer pay for it....but!, maybe we live now days in the era of everything throw away.......so who knows....for me......I only buy used now and take my time to check the item out...{ see how many complaints that item has had on it and etc....} that goes for autos also..new is nice..but as soon as you take it out the door...it is used!!!

  • 16 Posted by alexander_gard on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:50PM EDT Report Abuse

    I have a sinking feeling that it is cheaper for companies to go ahead and send out the defective products because few customers complain through the proper customer service channels. If these "experts" are just looking at statistical data like CS dispute resolution rates, then they are fooling themselves and us if they think those numbers actually reflect what's happening. Poor CS translates into people not calling when the problem isn't resolved after the first call and to CS reps and managers to try to make callers problems end as "resolved" regardless of whether they are resolved. But CS aside, I think that in the grand scheme of things it's cheaper for a big electronics company to continue the current scheme than to provide quality products, quality warranties, and quality customer service.

  • 17 Posted by katielee4211 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:47PM EDT Report Abuse

    And they don't seem to be getting any cheaper. Where is this stuff actually being manufactured?

  • 18 Posted by bwfield on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:15PM EDT Report Abuse

    I don't think many manufacturers are doing QA testing anymore. Example last year we had a rash of dlink wireless routers die (4 of them) with the intel chip in them. It might be cause they are inexpensive (below 100.00). With current engineering applications they are relying on and the cost to develop, adding QA to the design process adds a huge cost. They might be crunching numbers and determing that a 20% failure rate is acceptable to save on the bottom line without consideration about the damage they are doing to their product image or company reputation. Another concern is I am seeing seagate drives fail right out of the box, this is highly unusual from the best hard drive manufacture in the world. I had 2 new drives fail in the same day. One was only 6 months old, and the other was right out of the box DOA. My confidence in these 2 companies is now shakey. I won't get dlink at all, but as for seagate, there still isn't a better drive in spite of these failures. I have however 4 seagate drives in my office I have to return from failures. My advise is to NOT trust any drive and make sure you have a backup of everything.

  • 19 Posted by billdbau47 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:07PM EDT Report Abuse

    The electronic product failure may have something to do with the new RoHS (Reduction of Hazardous Substances)standards being implemented in the electronic industry. It prevents the use of lead in the solder that has been used since the beginning of time for connecting electronic components together. I work in an industry that had to switch to this lead-free solder and all the sudden we're getting products back from the field with poor solder joints. They go out working but crap out later. I think this is going to be a huge problem in the future. RoHS standards are required overseas currently and will be required in the U.S. shortly. Watch out for it.

  • 20 Posted by racketman2248 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:25PM EDT Report Abuse

    I agree 100%. I ordered two Dell Inspiron 1505 laptops mid-year 2007. So far I have had two motherboards replaced, a processor, and a hard drive. That was on just one of the machines. Now the other one has a display that is going blank too often for my taste. Tech's and trying to convince me it is a VISTA problem. If so, why not the same behavior from the other machine. I have had Dell products before without much trouble. My latest experiences are indeed troubling, however.

  • 21 Posted by thanksfortheinfo2000 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:02PM EDT Report Abuse

    I haveto concur with the article - things seems to be getting worse. I'd expect to see very few problems if quality were 99+% everywhere, but my experience says otherwise. True, I'm not looking for top-of-the-line stuff, but I'm thinking $500 stuff ain't exactly cheap. Let's see: I went through three eMachines from Costco (who will take anything back) before getting an HP that's been great for three weeks now; I gave up on Panasonic surround sound/radio/DVD system after its 'blue' went out; the scan portion of my HP printer/scanner is intermittant (its Epson replacement is working fine); my DirecTV DVR box has too many problems to mention, and they've replaced it twice; a friend bought HP laptops for her two sisters, one went bad within a week; my wife's Nokia cell phone is the 'basic' one, but its buttons don't always respond; a new Kenwood car receiver/MP3 player is about as awkward to use as you can imagine (bright blue lights that, even 'dimmed' make night driving hard; on/off switch is a little button that you have to hold for two seconds; and they give you a remote that you need for many commands!); and why is it that lettuce gets slimy so quick? (OK, not electronic...) And then there's the ton of 'commercials' you get along with everything - I even got 'trial' games and ads on a thumb drive! Gimme a break...

  • 22 Posted by brittle_bullet on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:13PM EDT Report Abuse

    I've never really had any big problems with electronics, despite using a huge variety of them. I think what's going on in this case is that people tend to remember the bad and take the good for granted. The experts use an objective measure of how many problems people have, so their numbers are the unbiased story. By just asking 25 friends what problems they remember having, the writer's guaranteeing that they'll come up with something. They're not lying, it's just that the one periphereal that they had to send back to the company is going to stand out in their minds over the ten others that worked just fine.

  • 24 Posted by psycho_cadaverman on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:21PM EDT Report Abuse

    It's not just that new technology is fragile, but consumers have also gotten the idea that when they spend more than $1000, the thing is supposed to be indestructible. Then you get Consumer Reports telling people not to buy warranties, which is stupid, and these poor saps have to then deal with the manufacturer and wait weeks at a time until they get the unit back and hope that it's fixed providing the manufacturer didn't blame them for the damage in the first place. Some things are improving, but lets face it-older technology lasted longer because by the time we bought it, it was established and not really that new. We became accustomed to being somewhat reckless with it, shipping services included, and now the new stuff is suffering for it.

  • 25 Posted by azhiker19 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:00PM EDT Report Abuse

    It is certainly true that products are becoming more complex, and are being desired with more user-friendly features. However, remember that it is time to market and profitability that drive the introduction of products, not their individual reliability. Manufacturers deem a certain failure rate acceptable as long as they get their product to the marketplace and generate buzz. I agree that products, hardware and software, suffer from a reduced quality. The emphasis is on mass production of goods and cost reduction in the manufacturing process. Certainly these are understandable manufacturing goals, I want the company that I buy from to be profitable and be around for additional products. But I agree there is a trend toward less reliable products, and products that do not perform as advertised. I don't see reliability improving given the emphasis on marketing buzz rather than reliable products. Consequently I am sticking with my older model cell phone, MP3 player, digital camera, camcorder, PCs as I have too much time invested in their contents and respective learning curves to risk lack of quality in new products. I used to be an early adopter - not any longer. The manufacturer and their products need to demonstrate reliability before I will make a switch, and I will continue to do so cautiously.

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