Getting Swiped with a No-Swipe Credit Card

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The latest tech scare, real or imagined, is hitting RFID (radio frequency identification) technology, specifically the type used in new credit cards and keychains from MasterCard, Exxon, Visa, and your local bank.

It seems these cards, which let you buy everything from gas and sandwiches to subway tokens with a simple wave over a sensor, are vulnerable to hostile scans by evil-doing passers-by, according to recent findings by University of Massachusetts researchers. The cards can be scanned up to several feet away and through wallets, so presumably someone could extract your credit card information by just standing next to or near you. Or could they? According to some of the companies that distribute these cards, it's a lot harder to pull off these types of invasions in public than in a lab.

My own experience with RFID is that it doesn't make for a very seamless scan process. When I attended the 3GSM conference in Barcelona earlier this year, I had to wait in line along with dozens of other disgruntled trade show attendees as show workers scanned each of our badges as we entered a new hall. (They were trying to keep track of where everyone went). But the scan process was slow and required obvious, hands-on movements, so I wonder how an actual thief would get away with trying to scan you in public without getting caught. Again, we're talking real-word situations, not labs.

I've been obsessed with cashless transactions conducted by RFID wireless technology in Japan for a few years now, so I got excited when my PayPass keychain arrived from my bank, promising me easy payment at drugstores, gas stations, sub shops, and the New York City subway. I quickly attached my keys to it and proceeded to tap it against readers at the few-and-far-between checkout counters I could find.

It worked pretty well, but security or no security, I couldn't use it at many places besides Burritoville, McDonald's, and my local drugstore. And all transactions over $25 required a signature, anyway, so where's the convenience in that?

I'm still wondering whether the time saved is really worth carrying around a cumbersome keychain when I can just use my non-RFID credit card. Sure, it requires a swipe and a signature, but it pretty much works everywhere.

Last week I lost my keys, and with it, the PayPass. To get a new one, I'd have to cancel my whole credit card—my bank couldn't just replace the keychain. All in all, a mysterious non-time-saving technology that's more of a hassle than it's worth. Put RFID technology in my cell phone or implant it in my hand or whereverthen it might actually make a difference, for better or worse.

Does anyone have any positive or negative experiences with these sorts of RFID credit cards or keychains?

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  • 6 Posted by toxic_acid1 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:18PM EDT Report Abuse

    RFID is not at all secure, you dont even know if you are flashing your card to the actual reciever or some scammers reciever which would be easier to set up like credit card information got stolen at ATM machines this way.

  • 7 Posted by jdvalk2 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:31PM EDT Report Abuse

    Aint' no way I'm going to let such technology into my body. If it doesn't work outside of it, it ain't going to be better inside!

  • 8 Posted by lucieno2 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 6:59PM EDT Report Abuse

    This is scarry legislation is REALLY on the books!!!!! Are you aware by May of 2008 the law will require you to carry a national identification card? Are you aware that there are plans being developed to have all Americans embedded with a Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) computer chip under their skin so they can be tracked wherever they go?

  • 9 Posted by dickjnsn2 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:42PM EDT Report Abuse

    RFID is a great technology for what it is. I manage the key tags at my job. When someone leaves the company without returning their keys, I just deactivate their key tag. We've been using it for years. That being said, I see no reason to assign any of my accounts to an RFID. Has society reached the point where we can't wait a few seconds for a swipe and signature or pin number? Slow down people!

  • 10 Posted by bigdaddy512003 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:06PM EDT Report Abuse

    Capitol one bank already has some 10,000 customers with embedded credit cards in thier hand,and a Co. In Florida has at least 6000 people with chips containing medical info embedded in thier arm. They sell the hospitals and EMG personel, special scanners to read the chip in the event that you can't talk in an emergency. A national ID card? Why not? We already carry a drivers license with a picture, and our driving record bar coded on the back (CT.) Asfar as a chip becoming mandatory, I really doubt thats gonna happen any time soon. RFID isn't really needed. The biggest gripe I have is that it takes the bank 2 weeks to issue a new debit card if you lose your old one. Nice way to use your money for 2 weeks while you wait for a new card. BD51

  • 11 Posted by chaz_hinkle on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:22PM EDT Report Abuse

    I've been using an Exxon SpeedPass for about three or four years now... It's a nifty little device, but... 1) It seems like more often than not, the RFID readers at Exxon gas pumps are not in working order, and... 2) There is virtually no time savings of using RFID versus just a regular credit card swipe at the pump. Add to this the difficulty I had updating my credit card info on Exxon's website, and the convenience factor is all but nil.

  • 12 Posted by chaz_hinkle on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:22PM EDT Report Abuse

    I've been using an Exxon SpeedPass for about three or four years now... It's a nifty little device, but... 1) It seems like more often than not, the RFID readers at Exxon gas pumps are not in working order, and... 2) There is virtually no time savings of using RFID versus just a regular credit card swipe at the pump. Add to this the difficulty I had updating my credit card info on Exxon's website, and the convenience factor is all but nil.

  • 13 Posted by miniweiners on Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:21PM EDT Report Abuse

    I use my Express Pay key fob thingy at the cafeteria at work and that's about it. I have it attached to my work badge laynard, not my keychain. This way I always have money for lunch even if I don't have my wallet with me. This is handy if I'm coming from a meeting and don't want to go back to my office for cash (big building). Other than that, however, I don't find it anything more than a novelty. I get a kick when the cashier at CVS looks all perplexed the few times I've used it there. All in all, except for using it at lunch at work, its not really a big time saver. The debit/credit swipe works just as well.

  • 14 Posted by solartoo on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:32PM EDT Report Abuse

    As one who had a small hand in developing the RFID chip (circa 1982), I am amazed at all the uses to which the technology has been put. The original concept was to use it for door locks - and THAT technology has been widely employed with great success - Buy a new Ford and you will find an RFID chip in the cap of the key. You can duplicate the key at any key machine, but it will only open the door, not start the engine, without the chip. (I once used a duplicate key to start the engine by holding the cap of the original against the top of the new key! - Great if you break or damage the business end of your original key.) To answer a few of the questions posed above: First, as has been shown, a credit card is a CREDIT CARD, not a key chain fob. It should be kept secure - in wallet or purse - which kind of reduces the convenience. Where performance problems exist it is probably due to excessive economy in production. Oats that have already been through the horse are cheaper! I once wore an RFID badge at work. When I walked through the guarded doorway, the "box on the wall" would beep and flash a light. It could as easily have displayed my name or sounded an alarm if I didn't have a badge. My movements were tracked anywhere I went in the building - I didn't even have to clock in or out! Grain-of-rice sized implants have been employed. The chip is implanted under the skin of the forearm and works just like my badge - above - except the data allows or disallows access to sensitive areas. To prevent your card from being scanned without your knowledge is a simple matter. Keep it in an RF shielded bag - the type of bag that computer chips are shipped in. Be sure you get the right kind of bag though. There are anti-static bags that are not static (RF) SHIELDing bags - the test is to insert you cell phone into the bag. If he signal bars go to zero you have the right kind. Get a small enough bag or cut one to size - but be sure to leave enough material to fold over the open end(s) - and replace it when it begins to show signs of wear, like discoloration, scratches or holes. I'd like to see entering a (voice activated?) PIN mandatory for ALL credit card transactions. The RF Shielding bag would not be necessary - provided that repeated attempts to enter wrong PINs voided the card - much like entering the wrong password in your on-line banking. The only thing the RFID card would save is the necessity to "swipe" the card - with the problems of reading a well-worn card eliminated. The only way THAT is going to happen is if large enough numbers of people refuse to use the "new" (1982, remember?) technology until the safeguards are in place. Happy charging!

  • 15 Posted by sheadowns on Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:18PM EDT Report Abuse

    the cell phone companies should get with the credit card companies and vendors. they should colaborate and allow you to upload your card info to your cell phone and then be able to transmit via bluetooth to the vendors secure device that way your personal info is only vulnerable at select times.

  • 16 Posted by derambo91 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:41PM EDT Report Abuse

    For those religous people, this is a sign of the mark of the beast. In the bible is states that in the last days something like this would happen. This is going to hit society and religious people hard because of their beliefs. Some day this world is going to head into Choas and ur going to watch it.

  • 17 Posted by kcldrn1 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:48PM EDT Report Abuse

    I use cash for everything. It works like a dream!

  • 18 Posted by lmhgen on Thu Sep 3, 2009 6:55PM EDT Report Abuse

    To the person that mentioned transmitting data via Bluetooth, did you know that any techno-geek can create a device from Radio Shack parts that reads Bluetooth? They did a report on one of our local news stations, had this guy build the device and then test it out. He could read info stored on someone's Blackberry from 20 feet away. Thanks, but no thanks.

  • 19 Posted by bigee774 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:07PM EDT Report Abuse

    Theres no need for rfid yea it might be more simple but i feel that it totally goes against our rights basically if u get the chip in your hand u dont believe in freedom whats freedom when u have big brother watching ur every move ??? that aint freedom take tha chip and kiss the bill of rights and anything other document that has to do with freedom goodbye cuz u just gave up your rights i feel every american should be aware of what going in the world im only 17 years old and i know wtf is going on but at the same time i dont let the gov ruin me as a person im an artist and i express myself any way i want becuz im STILLFREE im cherisihng the moments becuz the gov is trying to make me a slave by trying to make me put a chip in mah hand for a cashless society ----- the new world order nothing good will come of it only pain and suffering watch the rivh get richer and hte poor get extremly more poorer while the the Us keeps using money for war like in iraq qhen they should be focusing on our rights educatioin poverty etc.... america i say wake up and smell the coffee thi gov is gonna try and take away the things we fought for in the civil war freedom against slavery ----- if i gotta fight for whats right enlist me 17 and got a great head on my shoulders but this is my opinion so w.e

  • 20 Posted by babykitten1370 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:01PM EDT Report Abuse

    i personally think it`s a ridiclous idea. not every place will accept this. legislation is gone overboard this time. the anti-christ is coming the end of times. god will take his people & leave. too many sinners in this world. i don`t mind using cash @ all. this isn`t healthy for soceity or any of my pets. i can live without this NONSENSE chip. not everyone in the world will use this. nothing but anarchy. like back in the resinance ages. were in the times where advancments take place. instead of moving forward were actually moving backwards. the mark of the beast (666) is coming.

  • 21 Posted by apicctech on Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:56PM EDT Report Abuse

    As a computer technician and weekend gas-clerk I have to say that I'd just as soon that anything that encourages people to use their cell phones not get put into use. As it is, people are rude at the counter and make you wait while they talk even though you're there fixing their computer network. I have better things to do with my time than deal with more cell-phone wielding, inconsiderate jacks all day. If people had a better control of themselves when they had their cell phones with them, then I wouldn't mind. As for RFID being unsecure and unreliable, I work at a gas station part time (as previously mentioned) and I can assure you that it's cheaper and easier to steal credit card information than it is RFID information. People don't think twice about leaving their cards with the cashier so that they can fill their car up without pre-paying and they don't ask questions if the credit-reader is out of order or the store's credit card store and forward system (how we can take credit cards when the network is down) is full and I have to make a carbon copy of their cards for the store records. I don't need a skimmer, I don't need a camera, I don't even need to be sly, at least with an RFID I would have to use SOME ingenuity to get the information I wanted and I'd have to try even harder if they encrypted even one character in the transmitted code. So please, please and again PLEASE, don't make me actually have to try, keep those RFID chips off the market and leave me with the old fashioned credit cards. Oh, and in case someone wants to complain that I am writing a fraud manual, I've left out some critical steps that DO require creative thinking. And for those who want to accuse me of being a low-life and whatever, I work securing networks for residences and small businesses, if I don't know how fraud works, I can't prevent it from happening to my customers.

  • 22 Posted by texasmccoy on Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:01PM EDT Report Abuse

    I'm from California and have had a credit card with an RFID chip for several YEARS now, and have yet to see a single place of business that has an RFID scanner. How useless... it's a miracle we havent eradicated ourselves with stupid technology yet. :P

  • 23 Posted by julie_lynn1977 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:44PM EDT Report Abuse

    Technology, while nice in some ways, is more of a hassle. Think about when you were kids, Atari and Nintendo were the high-tech things and affordable. We didn't long for ipods, laptops, cell phones, etc. Technology has also made us lazy and families out of reach. With all of the money they spend, trying to save us 1/2 of a second, couldn't they build a few thousand parks and recreation areas to re-invent the family unit. If you're going to invest all of your money, invest it in something worth saving or atleast having around. All of these micro-chips are worthless and have no place inside the human body or our pockets.

  • 24 Posted by reniassance1 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:36PM EDT Report Abuse

    Take a look at the world, paper money or credit cards will soon be obsolete. Yes, I am about to go religious, but there is validity to this scripture see Revelation 13:15-17...For those who don't read the Bible...here's what it says: "He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand (your fingerprint) or on his forehead so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name...Im a person who looks at history, check me out take a look of where we slowly came from to where we are going...technology is not always a good thing. (Not that we have none now, but our privacy is diminishing ever so slowly. Look at everything with a global view...you will soon come to the same conclusion...that chip that we can't see but can see everything we do...who is watching the people watching us?

  • 25 Posted by kat_harvey93088 on Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:47PM EDT Report Abuse

    This world is becoming more and more tehnologically advanced; for the good AND the bad. These chips are going to open up too many opportunites that we are not ready for. If you believe in God, you ought to know that he is the beginning and the end. And in His word, the Bible, in the book of Revelations, God speaks of "the mark of the beast" and to avoid taking it. This is going to happen whether it be sooner or later. He has said of manny events that have already occured in our lifetime.Such as He Israel and how it became a country again; God spoke of this in the Bible BEFORE it really happened. He tells of terrible storms to affect the earth. [notice global warming and tsunamis]He speaks of fire raining onto the earth.[most of our volcanoes are due for another eruption not to mention that supposed asteroid headed for earth in the next 29 years]. What I am saying is that the RFID chips are going to happen whether we want them to or not. It's a matter of if we choose God over tachnology. He that ...'Whoever takes the mark of the beast WILL not go to heaven...' God is real. He is the beggining and the end and He has given us the clues of what is to happen. All that is needed is for us to accept Him as our Lord and Savior and trust that He will take care of our lives.

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